Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. 300,000 items to help build your collection!








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

US Mint Moving To Collector Coins?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 20 / Views: 3,031Next Topic
Page: of 2
Valued Member

United States
392 Posts
 Posted 08/13/2021  05:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Parnelli917 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
It seems like there are several signs that the US Mint might be changing their focus regarding coinage. First, due to COVID, production has been a challenge and it seems as though there have been some shortages. Next, the growth in touchless, credit cards, electronic payment - paypal/venmo/zelle and now crypto might be affecting the future of circulated coinage. This year we seem to be getting more coin releases but many seem to have low mintages (that sell out in minutes). This feels like the mint is transitioning focus to the collector coin market. Is it? I'm interested in your opinion.

*** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***
Pillar of the Community
oriole's Avatar
Canada
5239 Posts
 Posted 08/13/2021  06:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope for your sake that the US mint does not become like the Royal Canadian Mint, with hundreds of issues per year of collector "coins" many of which have no obvious connection to Canada. Given that currently in the US, the mint needs legislative authority for each issue, I think that there are limits to how far it can go.
Rest in Peace
T-BOP's Avatar
United States
18456 Posts
 Posted 08/13/2021  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well believe it or not I have only seen 3 2021 P or D Lincoln Cents so far this year . I don't CRH , but what I receive from change from everyday purchasing with cash.
Bedrock of the Community
sel_69l's Avatar
Australia
21786 Posts
 Posted 08/13/2021  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No surprise to me that the U.S. Mint is gradually moving their business to collector coins. The writing is on the wall - they have to.

All Mints around the World have realized that the economy of all counties would eventually be cashless - first perceived using cards, and then entirely digital, without cards. Crypto currency could well follow, and that is what our grandkids will be using.

In order to stay in business and retain some sort of relevance, Mints have realized that there is still a non circulating coin collector demand to be met, and they are the obvious sort of organization to meet that demand.

I am more interested in the historical aspects of numismatics, and so modern Mint product NCLT does't interest me all that much,
but in regard to modern collecting trends, I know that the type of collector that I happen to be, is in very much in the minority, despite the fact that coinage history spans 25 centuries.
Pillar of the Community
hfjacinto's Avatar
United States
7273 Posts
 Posted 08/13/2021  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you all realize that the mint produces billions of coins for circulation?

2021 (as of 8/2021) - 8.86 billion
2020 - 14.74 billion
2019 -11.94 billion
2018- 13 billion

Do you actually think that our few collector series are more than a side hustle for the mint?

The mints job is to produce coins for circulation, all this talk of a cash less world doesn't seem to tie up with producing billions of coins.

Even if the mint produced several million coins for collectors the number is insignificant compared to what they produce for circulation. We (coin collectors) get all excited about new mint releases and now the flippers know we'll pay above the selling price hence why these issues are selling so quick. But to the average person they don't even look at their change. Just a few days ago at the bagel shop a person got a 2005 westward nickel with the bison, he saw it and said "wow it's a Buffalo nickel, they haven't made these for decades, he didn't even look at the date", I just ignored him .
Bedrock of the Community
United States
10284 Posts
 Posted 08/13/2021  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will probably buy very few if any from the mint but will look on the bright side of it all. Coin collecting might be on the rise. Maybe there are more collectors out there?
There must be a market or the mint wouldn't be making the product.

The down side could be, that the inflated original cost may be higher than the real value down the road and it will turn off the collectors who made poor investments.
You can't deny the mint the opportunity to make money.
They are making hay while the sun shines.
Pillar of the Community
Big-Kingdom's Avatar
United States
1667 Posts
 Posted 08/13/2021  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never gonna happen. Cash is always going to be needed for something, and it's never going to be done away with.
Rest in Peace
T-BOP's Avatar
United States
18456 Posts
 Posted 08/13/2021  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Just a few days ago at the bagel shop a person got a 2005 westward nickel with the bison, he saw it and said "wow it's a Buffalo nickel, they haven't made these for decades, he didn't even look at the date", I just ignored him .

I'm surprised you didn't you didn't throw your Bagel at him .
Valued Member
United States
221 Posts
 Posted 08/13/2021  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numiscrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With hfjacinto, .

Picture the average person who would be researching numismatics, purchasing coins through online channels, and posting on web forums. Perhaps we as a group (Full disclosure, I use cash and credit cards quite a bit, platforms like PayPal almost never, though.) are predisposed to be more comfortable with cashless transactions, as are the people with whom they interact. The effect of such an environment can be an echo chamber where perceptions are confirmed by interactions with people who shop and sell things the same way.

I noticed this disconnect in opinion over the use of cash early on in the COVID mess. I started seeing opinion pieces written by tech savvy folks seeming to celebrate the fact that the pandemic would finally end use of cash and all the distasteful business they associated with it. At the same time, businesses I frequented were scrounging for coins to make change in cash transactions, which were critical to their operations. I also bought things from people who preferred to see cold, hard cash, and they certainly were not thieves, drug dealers, or human traffickers. My experiences and those of the cashless proponents probably don't match well. Who's right then? Can we entirely trust our own experiences, especially if those experiences aren't more diverse? That's why for me the facts and figures, like what hfjacinto posted, trump most other arguments.

Pillar of the Community
coincollector123's Avatar
United States
850 Posts
 Posted 08/14/2021  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollector123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am glad they have a strict limit of 2 commemorative coins they can make per year. Now this year is interesting as they were able to get the Morgan and Peace dollars thru but it sounds like its a continuation. So I guess there are some loopholes to go around this rule
Pillar of the Community
Ballyhoo's Avatar
United States
1613 Posts
 Posted 08/14/2021  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both federal notes and coin hold a perceived value. Meaning, they are worth nothing more than the word of several suits sitting around an oak table say it is. Known as full "faith". As for coin, both the cent and nickel far exceed a real value in their metal content based on a marketable. Even in today's digital world commercial transactions would need to be conducted should a failure in electrical power or servers being off-line. Factor in the growing ransomeware and other computer hacks and it becomes clear that a cashless society is not happening.
ANA member - PAN Member - BCCS Member
There are no problems only solutions - the late, great John Lennon
CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
Learn More...
commems's Avatar
United States
12255 Posts
 Posted 08/14/2021  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not so much about the quantity of the coins struck as it is about the seigniorage and net income derived from the coins produced.

For 2020, the Mint had a net income of $549.9 million from circulating coinage, $46.2 from bullion and just $12.4 million from numismatic/collector products (90.4% / 7.6% / 2.0%, respectively).

In 2019, the overall numbers were down, but the percentage split was definitely still skewed: circulation coinage, $318.3 million, bullion $5.6 million and numismatic/collector products $1.7 million (97.8% / 1.7% / 0.5%, respectively).

In 2018, the numbers were: circulation coinage, $321.1 million, bullion $7.0 million and numismatic/collector products ($15.3) million - a loss - (97.9% / 2.1% / (4.7%), respectively).

So, while numismatic/collector sales have become a bigger component of the Mint's overall revenue pie, they do not yet make up a significant piece. The Mint is most definitely not shifting to a model driven by collector coins any time soon.


Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
Learn More...
commems's Avatar
United States
12255 Posts
 Posted 08/14/2021  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...the Royal Canadian Mint, with hundreds of issues per year of collector "coins"...

The Canadian Mint has significantly reduced the number of collector coins it issues currently. While it's still 100+ for the year, it is no longer the 300+ it was a few years back.


Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1913 Posts
 Posted 08/15/2021  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Do you all realize that the mint produces billions of coins for circulation?

2021 (as of 8/2021) - 8.86 billion
2020 - 14.74 billion
2019 -11.94 billion
2018- 13 billion

This is reality. There's been a coin shortage, but it's not caused by decreased production. That means that it's caused by increased demand.


Quote:
I will probably buy very few if any from the mint but will look on the bright side of it all. Coin collecting might be on the rise. Maybe there are more collectors out there?
There must be a market or the mint wouldn't be making the product.

The down side could be, that the inflated original cost may be higher than the real value down the road and it will turn off the collectors who made poor investments.

There's no evidence that the increase in demand for the mint's numismatic products is caused by a sudden increase in the popularity of coin collecting. Most likely it's caused by the federal government's "stimulus" handouts (which is in reality just shifting money around from people to people while devaluing the money supply) and the federal reserve's attempt at artificial stimulus by holding interest rates artificially low. The result of both these policies is inflation. During inflationary times (over supply of money), people put money in to speculative products such as coins. When/if the inflation goes away, they will too.

Valued Member
Lancek's Avatar
United States
442 Posts
 Posted 08/15/2021  10:56 am  Show Profile   Check Lancek's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Lancek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The way I look at it is, the more money the mint makes from selling commems, the less of my tax dollars they have to use to make the rest of the coins. I don't buy modern commems from the mint. Even though I collect them. I wait a couple years. The only mint purchase I have made was a 5 oz silver ATB "quarter" from Salt River Bay, USVI. One, because we have kayaked that bay on vacation. And two, because the mint was about to raise prices based on silver going up.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1913 Posts
 Posted 08/15/2021  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The way I look at it is, the more money the mint makes from selling commems, the less of my tax dollars they have to use to make the rest of the coins.

You'll be happy to know that the mint does not use your tax dollars to make coins. The mint actually makes money off of the seigniorage. Seigniorage is the difference between the value of money and the cost to produce and distribute it. For example, if a bank pays the mint $10,000 for $10,000 face value worth of coins that cost the mint $4,000 to manufacture, then the mint makes $6,000. The mint's profit is put in the federal treasury. The minting of coins is inflationary, but it's inflationary significance is insignificant compared to other sources of inflation such as artificially low federal reserve interest rates or government debt spending. Every bit of money that the mint makes on commemorative coins over their cost to produce is profit for the federal government.
Edited by Bret
08/15/2021 1:51 pm
  Previous TopicReplies: 20 / Views: 3,031Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.42 seconds to rattle this change. Forums