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1938 S 5c MS-67 Please Help Me Verify Or Refute A DDO?

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Hi to everyone,
I was looking through some of my slabbed coins last night trying to estimate grades and comparing slabs to definitions of rating I have been learning about when I got stuck on this coin. I did my best to check it out online. I also went so far as to do a 3D rendition from some of the photos. I have double and triple checked all the sites I know of. I have a hard time reaching out to others I am shy but I am stumped. Is it a DDO or should I have gone to bed hours ago. It has kept me up all night. So nervous!
Ok, so the nose is pretty clear to see I think, another shot shows the extra nostril opening. I didnt include all the pictures. I wasnt sure how many were appropriate to post. Doubling seems to run on the East side of the devices. The U is noticably bigger on the left. There are splits and a dividing line running up and down some of the letters. The letter E in WE is what caught my attention. The lower half has a clear bar showing on the inside bottom. I am newer at the indepth study of coin varieties so let me know what I can do better. Thank you for all your time

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 Posted 08/21/2021  07:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lots of glare, looks MD? to me.
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 Posted 08/21/2021  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, it looks MD. The last pic verify's it.
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 Posted 08/21/2021  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mpfanku to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. Do you mind explaining it a bit more so I can figure it out on my own next time? Thanks!!
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First I'd like to thank you for describing in detail what you see and the areas you have questions about. Many times we have to ask people for a better explanation. Well done.

I agree it could be MD on the lips and nose because there isn't any notching where the doubling starts. But part of it doesn't look flat.

The right leg of the "R" in TRUST looks thicker at the base in pic #3 but again there's no notching in pic #4.

Now we come to the interesting part. It clearly looks like notching on both sides of the base of the "T" in TRUST.

Maybe try rotating the coin and see if any notching shows up better on your monitor before taking the pic. Nickels and clad coins are known for MD and Die Deterioration and are tough to get images of.
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 Posted 08/21/2021  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mpfanku, great images.
I am wondering what the grade is on that very nice Jefferson.

I'd like to see cropped images of obverse & reverse.
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 Posted 08/21/2021  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@TNG — OP noted in title it is MS-67.
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 Posted 08/21/2021  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh . . . duh
I missed that, sorry. Thanks
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When you look at the edges of devices, you will find Machine Doubling. A doubled die is spread in the centers of the devices make them wider/taller.
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 Posted 08/23/2021  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mpfanku to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all. Thank you so much for really taking the time to look at this coin.
I know this is a very very common question and I hoped someone would take it seriously and really look at the coin posted. I respect many of you who I call "Gods of Varieties and/or Errors" LOL, and the time you put into being a mentor to new numismatics. Thank you

I will get more photos taken and set up to upload to CCF today.

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I am sorry it took so long to get a decent photo together. It is really tricky learning how to get good pix thru the case the nickel is in. I have one here from the nose area, I believe this shows depth in both the upper and lower areas and a second nostril. Please look to the line that denotes separation from the upper and lower image. I am working on the letters close to the edges and I have updated my software in order to send clear images to you all!

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 Posted 08/24/2021  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like md on the letters.
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TNG I am uploading to CCF the two pics you wntd. I took those with my phone.

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