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Valued Member
United States
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I have this 1968 D penny with an unusual "8" in the date? Why has this 8 been tampered with? Is this common practice to change dates at the mint? And, if you look at the top of the obverse, in the word "Trust", the color is off and goes on to the reverse in the shape of a triangle. Again, on the "E", in E Pluribus, there is another doubling on the E. I can clearly see another E that was off center? Any help with this, would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!     |
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Moderator
 United States
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@miss, the number 8 might have taken a hit which deformed it. We see that quite often as it also sometimes affects the L of LIBERTY. The surface discoloration and pattern of circulation damage make me question whether there are any mint errors at all.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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They do not change dates at the mint, the 8 has just been damaged.
Any change in colour happens after the coin has been struck either by a
stain or environmental toning.
That extra "E" is just circulation damage.
If I may make a suggestion, learn what true errors are by studying websites such as error-ref.com
This will save you from looking for things that just aren't there.
Remember that it is only an error if it occurs during the striking of the coin.
Anything that happens after that is just damage.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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 I only see circulation damage and environmental toning. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Valued Member
 United States
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I have bought a book that explains common errors. Couldn't find anything that looked like this, except for doubling... It seems to have happened just on the "8" which seemed off to me, along with the discoloration. My pics aren't as good as I would like, but on the"E", its not just damage. I can clearly see another full "E" next to it and thru it with my loupe? Thank you.
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Moderator
United States
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...And two huge fingerprints marring the obverse.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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learn what true errors are by studying websites such as error-ref.com
This will save you from looking for things that just aren't there.
Remember that it is only an error if it occurs during the striking of the coin.
Anything that happens after that is just damage. This is the best advise you can get. Thank you Jimmyd! I second this advise. You have to learn how to walk before you can run. Slow down, learn the minting process, learn what true errors look like. Not every odd looking coin is an error.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Don't see any errors here, just circulation damage.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
The '8' appears flattened. During that time the bubble gum machines were altering cents. But it doesn't exactly look like a match for this?  Note how the last digit get distorted? |
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Valued Member
United States
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Yes, I can see what you all are saying now. That's what I was questioning was the fact that it would take an awful small instrument to hit just that tiny "8".
But, since we are on the subject, I see that someone said that the mint would not change dates. Ok, I get that. But, why are there errors on some on the mint marks that are clearly referenced as errors? Such as a "D" being changed to a "P", vice versa? Is this typical or a typical mint exception?
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Miss Italy21
You are referring to something completely different from the dates when you are talking about mint marks.
Up until 1989, mm were hand punched into the working die and some times mistakes were made.
Also these would be referred to as varieties, not errors as every coin produced would be the same.
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Valued Member
United States
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@JimmyD (Bedrock) Yes. As indicated in Error-ref.com, it is noted that there was small and large date hubbing, which looks exactly like the "8" on my penny.
In reference to the "E", in E Plu..., Error-ref.com makes reference to a Class VIII hub doubling, slightly clockwise rotated second impression of the "E" in E Pluribus. John Wexler also goes on to state that THERE WAS EDGE LETTERING before and after the date of my 1968 D Penny! Think I'll re-check some of my others I previously posted!
Thanks!
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Valued Member
United States
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@JimmyD. I understand and appreciate your feedback. I'm learning, but when I'm told I have nothing, it's confusing and I'm trying to make a distinction. It's annoying to those of you that are educated on the subject, I'm sure! But, to make a distinction such as the 8, is big for me. Along with the E on the reverse! To me, it's a step in the right direction. Thanks for the Error-ref.com. It's a lot better than the 20.00 book I bought from Amazon! BIG RED ON MY LIST! |
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Miss Italy21
It is not annoying at all. That is what most of us on this forum do is try to help the "newbies" in their
education of coins. What is annoying is when the same person asks the same question over and over
again without doing any research on their own.
You do not fall in this category as it is obvious that you are willing to learn and work at your knowledge
of coins so I'm sure that nobody here minds helping and answering any questions you have.
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Valued Member
United States
163 Posts |
Thank you. You've been very helpful. I started reading, researching for over a year now! Last Summer, for lack of anything to do, I dropped 2.00 in a machine that pushes coins, drop a quarter, pushes em out. Must have got 2 silver coins, a couple of "frosted" proofs, bunch of old coins, etc. Went back the next day, put 5.00 in, got a few more silver coins, bunch of proof coins, etc. Emptied the machine, brought a book on errors, researched what I had in silver, got my money back and started reading and searching online! Love it! So interesting, not just the coins, but the history behind them. My brother had a bunch of War Nickels, wheat pennies, Mercury dimes, Buffalo nickels, etc., that he gave me! Wished I would researched as I went along instead of stockpiling! The mind can only hold so much, before re-reading. Taking notes, writing down your links... It can be very confusing, to say the least. I've got SCLC, no immune system, and can't go anywhere! Driving me nuts, so I broke the stash out. I'm not looking to sell, but to pass on to a nephew who has taken an interest. Well, if it's a fortune, sorry nephew! I haven't sold anything. Still learning! Getting ready to post another, I can't figure out! Sorry! Thanks again to everyone! |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Remember to ask questions when you have them. If you are wondering, others may also benefit from the answers to your questions. The only dumb question is the one that wasn't asked.
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