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The "American Families Plan" And Possible Negative Effects On CRH

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ARKANSAS, USA — Some concerns are being raised about a new proposed IRS data collection proposal that's part of the American Families Plan. It's something you may have seen on social media and wondered if it is real.

Under this proposed plan financial institutions will have to report deposits and withdrawals of $600 or more every year. Right now, only transactions of $10,000 or more have to be reported to the IRS.

The U.S. Treasury Department says the reason they want this change to be made is to cut down on tax evasion and the department says they estimate this will generate $460 billion."

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Three of our congressmen, Steve Womack, French Hill, Bruce Westerman along with other members of Congress sent a letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the IRS and the department of treasury expressing their concern with this proposal.

It read in part, "The recent spending proposal to include new tax information reporting requirements for financial institutions would not only impose significant compliance costs on our banks, credit unions, and related financial institutions that have served as the backbone of this economy these past 18 months but also infringe on the privacy of millions of Americans."

Speaker Pelosi has promised to bring the bill to the house floor in less than two weeks.

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/l...8d8c8e37db66

So Big Brother now wants to pretty much track everything we do when it comes to our money. For people here like me who routinely withdraw or deposit $600 or more several times a month in order to get/return coin in our CRH pursuits, this is not very comforting. Needless to say, this would also have a massive impact on small businesses.
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Wow...if I lived in the US, I would be affected since I do still use cash for many transactions so when I do take cash out is around that amount each time.

I guess they really want to move you folks over to cashless society.
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I will forge on with roll hunting.
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https://www.politifact.com/factchec...porting-irs/

"Under the measure, the banks would report only the total inflows and outflows, but no details on individual transactions."


"The proposal would create a significant burden on small businesses and community banks and add no discernible value to tax enforcement... it is far from clear that requiring banks to report on every single customer financial account with gross inflows and outflows above $600 — creating a mountain of new data — will lead to better tax compliance."



Just to be clear, try to keep this conversation practical and not political.
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I'm against it. It just seems like another way for them to snoop on your data, legally. I don't need them asking questions every time I buy a coin or whatever I please.
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Yep me too. I honestly started spending cash more as its just too easy to find out everything you buy.
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https://www.politifact.com/factchec...porting-irs/

"Under the measure, the banks would report only the total inflows and outflows, but no details on individual transactions."

"The proposal would create a significant burden on small businesses and community banks and add no discernible value to tax enforcement... it is far from clear that requiring banks to report on every single customer financial account with gross inflows and outflows above $600 — creating a mountain of new data — will lead to better tax compliance."





Gotta love "fact checkers" LOL.


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The whole world has gone batty and Crazy combined .
All this would is create more red tape and the odd useless job or two.
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But think of all the new high-paying government jobs this would create!
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... the odd useless job or two.

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But think of all the new high-paying government jobs this would create!
Sad to say, but this may be how it got out of committee discussion.

I wrote this earlier and it applies here... if you are against this plan and still support a circulating one cent coin... you are a hypocrite!
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What's True
According to the proposed American Families Plan, banks would "report gross inflows and outflows" for all business and personal accounts to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), "with the exception of accounts below a 'low de minimis gross flow threshold of $600 or fair market value of $600.'" But ...

What's False
... this does not mean all individual transactions above that threshold would be reported. Rather, aggregated numbers would be provided to the IRS annually.

"This proposal would create a comprehensive financial account information reporting regime. Financial institutions would report data on financial accounts in an information return. The annual return will report gross inflows and outflows with a breakdown for physical cash, transactions with a foreign account, and transfers to and from another account with the same owner. This requirement would apply to all business and personal accounts from financial institutions, including bank, loan, and investment accounts, with the exception of accounts below a low de minimis gross flow threshold of $600 or fair market value of $600."

"Imagine a taxpayer who reports $10,000 of income but has $1 million of flows in and out of their bank account. Having this summary information will help flag for the IRS when high-income people under-report their income (and under-pay their tax obligations). This will help the IRS target its enforcement activities on those who are actually evading their tax obligations, decreasing costly and burdensome audits for the vast majority of taxpayers who pay what they owe.""

the idea is to get an annual report and identify who is cheating taxes, whether it be off the books businesses, or offshore accounts. it's not meant for in and out transactions, it's looking for people that claim they earn no money, but tons of it keeps appearing in their bank accounts over lots of smaller transactions. this has been coming for a long time, the threshold was $10,000. people just do multiples of less than that now $5K here, $9K there, or they buy or sell stuff on facebook or craiglist and don't pay taxes and claim they don't have income.

it really doesn't affect anything unless you are cheating on your taxes. Taking out $500 or $1000 for coins and depositing $500-$1000 in coins, is just transnational, no additional money is appearing that you didn't report as an earning,,, unless again, you are cheating on taxes.

they will "get used" to coin roll hunters and what that looks like or just keep transactions under $500 a pop if it worries you.
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From 10,000 to 600- insane!
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I feel so sorry for the younger people who never knew a US where it was none of the government's business to interfere this far into our personal lives. The allegedly are so afraid some tax dollars will not be submitted to them and then waste them on insanity spending (like jbuck said with the cent but TONS worse).

I wonder what is stalin them from going all the way down to $100.00?

Oops...was that political? I thought of it automatically and could not help myself

OK...disclaimer..any reference to any person/ideal perceived by the use of a pun is purely done in a manner of jest with absolutely no connections to reality and should not be misconstrued to have a real life bearing on any one political party, political preference, political mindset, political system, or political side of the fence (real, perceived, imaginary or otherwise) or lack hereof, thereof, and everywhereof (especialy on CCF).


BTW I am not a hypocrite! I like the cent, I want the cent o be here forever and I would hate to see it go

...but its a waste of taxpayer money so...get rid of it already!

Better yet, get rid of the politicians who are irresponsible with our tax dollars...problem solved...uh huh...ain't gonna' happen.


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BTW I am not a hypocrite! I like the cent, I want the cent o be here forever and I would hate to see it go...but its a waste of taxpayer money so...get rid of it already!
The cent should live on in the annual uncirculated and proof mint sets... in BRONZE composition, of course.
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This plan is stupid. I will call up the IRS and tell them that I do this thing like adding and taking out money cause I like to look at it if they care. I do not believe that tax evasion is a problem. Hide the money in the microwave.
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