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Question About Device Sizes And Mints

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 Posted 10/04/2021  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die wear enlarges devices. Die polishing reduces the fields making the devices, smaller, shorter in height. The dies are all the same when created, even proof dies. At this time all dies were made at the same location, then shipped to the other locations. So when they are new, the devices are the same size. When used, they are altered like I mentioned above.
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 Posted 10/05/2021  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gsp193 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok thanks! I was trying to figure out how to tell the thicker devices.. but they actually could be small and shorter and still be a DD depending on die state..I think I'm beginning to understand a tad
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 Posted 10/05/2021  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I say thicker, unlike doubled dies, that have a definite shape, the die wear is distorted looking:
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On a doubled die the devices are enlarged, but according to how the hub design forms the die:
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 Posted 10/05/2021  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gsp193 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So as an example I found below, the larger devices on the bottom dime were caused by worn dies? Even though they look doubled.
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 Posted 10/06/2021  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bumpkin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hold on here for a moment. gsp, what year and mint is the dime on the bottom of your last picture? Those are some awfully large and bubbly looking devices/letters with what appears to be very good definition I think I'm seeing in your pic. To me the bottom coin doesn't look consistent with a deteriorated die. The dime on top is definitely normal looking. Just curious here but can you post an obverse and reverse of that bottom dime? Thanks.
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 Posted 10/06/2021  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gsp193 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a 1984 P I could not find anything listed for it.

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 Posted 10/07/2021  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bumpkin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the pics gsp. I am now seeing it differently and clearly with the entire obverse and reverse pics. ONE DIME looked to be pretty large and well defined in your original pic but I didn't know the date or mm nor could I see the entire coin. But, now that I see the entire reverse this is no doubt a result of Die Deterioration. ONE DIME wasn't affected near as much as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA with this worn out die. Weight is within tolerance as well. Thanks!
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Thanks @Bumpkin!! I just posted it by itself before I saw your reply.
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 Posted 10/07/2021  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bumpkin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No worries brother. I just now saw your other post, lol.
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