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How can I tell if this is altered or counterfeit? Some say it might be a 1910 or 12. How can I tell? Also I have looked at it with a 20 X"s magnification eye loup and found nothing like overstrikes with the date. Any ifo would help. I will send picture when I figure out how Also there was a 1913 listed on ebay last week found in some estate, in a square holder and they removed it when peoplestarted bidding on it WHY? |
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Pillar of the Community
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There are only 5 known examples of the 1913 and all 5 are accounted for.
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Actually he made another thread a week ago. If I had a real 1913 Liberty, I would not sell it on ebay. If you have pictures we would love to see it. :) Edited by hc8604
01/17/2009 4:21 pm
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It wouldn't be the first time somebody reworked a date into a 1913.  However, for the sake of discussion...a large pic of the date area would really help. In the least we could do overlays and compare to the genuine 1913 date to see how it stacks up as an educational tool.  I really wouldn't get my hopes up on this coin...#6 is widely regarded an impossibility. |
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with 99.9999999% certainty I can tell you that what your have is either counterfit or an alteration. Some say there was a sixth liberty head that was lost, but most evidence points against this. There are reproductions(in my eyes counterfits) of 1913's that are sold on ebay by chinese counterfitters all the time, its likely that the one you saw on ebay was a reproduction. -XoG |
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Quote:Also there was a 1913 listed on ebay last week found in some estate, in a square holder and they removed it when peoplestarted bidding on it WHY? It was removed because it was a fake. Everything said in your last thread is still valid. My suggestion would be to send it in to ANACS for authentication - they're the least expensive of the reputable TPG's, so you'll be the least money out of pocket to learn that your coin is not real.  |
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I wouldn't be wondering so much about the 1913 Liberty nickel if I knew for certain it was counterfeit. My mother worked for a bank in the 50's in a small town and she collected coins, so I know that is where it came from Also it has been in circulation until that time. It is wore but you can see it is a 1913. How could it be a 1910 or 1912? I am calling ANACS Monday and set something up and will cost around $100. |
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You should post pictures, we can give you initial comments before you send it off to ANACS.
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Don't get me wrong here, merty - I'm a dreamer, and the appearance of a sixth 1913 nickel would be the stuff that our wildest dreams are made of. It would be as if my best friend had won the lottery, and if you were the happiest man on Earth as a result, I'd be the second-happiest.
However, reality has to rear its' ugly head and the reality is, the chance that your coin is real is infinitesimally small. The fact that it's worn is no telltale - it would be a lot more difficult to authenticate if it were worn, and a counterfeiter would know that and deliberately wear the coin to mask his work.
So, I hope you'll understand when I say that authenticating this coin will be very difficult, simply because you're going to have a hard time getting anyone to take it seriously, ANACS included.
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Forum Dad
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just post pictures please. There are some pretty cool stories, like the guy with a silver center cent. PICS ple ASE |
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Merty, do you think you have one of the 1913 liberty head nickel in your possesion? I understand that the numistatic commnunity has closed their door that no other coin of this rare kind existed, but are they really right about this? I just cannot agree cause I have one in possesion and anyone who are interested to make examination of this coin is welcome to do so.
I would like to inform for someone who will have an interest to examine the coin that I have the coin examined and anylyze by a mettalurgical engineering company.
The analysis includes exposing the coin to three type of microscope: Scanning Electronic Microscopy (SEM), Optical Microscopy, and Energy dispersive spectroscopy EDS; the analysis also include taking image of the coin by these machine.
If you be interested to receive a copy of the photos taken by the machine for you examination, please send me your email and I will email back with attachment of the photos. I will also include the result of the metal composition analysis result. Some of these photos are taken with over 2,000 times magnification if you curious to know how a material will look like at this magnification for educational purposes.
I will actually appreciate someone who can take a look at this photos and give me a feedback.
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js13977, welcome to our community! As for feedback/analysis of your coin--it would be impossible for anyone to make a call from a photo, even if an expert were here. As discussed, the historical background for the 1913 Liberty nickel accounts for just 5 specimens, a sixth would be very surprising and require consensus from the numismatic community. I don't think metallurgy or SEM analysis alone can confirm authenticity. I guess this has all been said before. Have you submitted your coin to PCGS/NGC/ANACS? If you think your coin is authentic, what better way to confirm? |
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I do believe that bobby has found the origin of these altered 1913 V nickels. Case closed. |
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I actually drove to Florida from New Jersey 3 weeks ago and brought the coin to NGC and was accomodated by an examiner name Ritche. From Ritche observation, his findings that the 191 are real and the 3 on the 1913 are replaced or fused, the reason I took a mettalurgical expert to examine the coin. As I mentioned, the mettalurgical expert does not find any alteration or manipulation on the coin as Ritche is suggesting.
I have shown this coin 2 years ago at the Baltimore convention and the NGC expert I have shown the coin did not specifically said that it was fake, but rather said that he does not have his note for comparison.
Kurt, I do believe that my coin is authentic, and my question is, what is the best way to confirmed?
I really appreciate if anyone in the community can have a suggestion.
I already took the first step to answer one of the many questions in regards to the authenticity of this coin by having it examined by the metal expert.
What is needed to get done to prove the legitimacy of this coin?
Anyone?
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what is the best way to confirmed? The best way to confirm this coin's authenticity is to have it professionally evaluated by either PCGS, NGC or ANACS. You did that, they told you it was not real, and you've chosen not to accept that opinion. There is no higher authority.Therefore, short of going through the same process with PCGS, I can offer no suggestions. |
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