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1979-P With Possible CCW Spread On Reverse

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Hello all, this is a first for me! I found a 1979P with what looks like a CCW spread on United and States on the right side of the script. It appears to be wider on the top of the letters and narrower at the bottom. Hopefully it's not MD. I dont see any on America or on One Cent at the bottom of the coin nor on the obverse. I looked on CopperCoins, Wexler, and Lincoln coins but only found a listing for a 1979 D on Wexler. I have included pics of the reverse and full reverse & obverse pics. Let me know your thoughts and thankas for looking. Regards!
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i am seeing MD...
i am not one of the experts...
they will chime in soon...

nice photos though...
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MD and a few too many photos.
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Agree MD and too many images.
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The width of the letters is diminished in the areas showing doubling. The doubled areas are flat and shelf-like. This is classic Machine Doubling. Do a search on this forum for more info or look it up by searching "doubling" at error-ref.com
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Thanks I will update my info on MD. The rotational aspect of the top, bottem of the script confused me.
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I know that your coin is a 1979 cent, but you are probably comparing it with a 1983 DDR-002.
When you look at your coin, you can tell the direction is from top of the devices to bottom. As the devices go around on the USA, not that they are all affected in one direction. As the devices curve around the coin, the affected edges are affected differently. On the DDR the devices on AMERICA look like your coin, but note the differences in size of the devices:
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Top image is die DDR-001. Note the at the direction is just opposite your coin and enlarged to a larger size.
The second image is a normal coin. Note the the size of the devices are the same as your coin?
On the devices on your coin the devices are machine doubled, removing the contour edge on one side of the devices? The opposite sides are normal. Can you see where they were reduced by the Machine Doubling.
On the bottom image it is die DDR-002. While this looks like your coin because of the direction of being affected is the same, not the devices are a bit larger than on your coin. Note the notch on the 'E'. Note the spread lines on the tops of the devices. That is where the spread of the hub doubling is see on this die. So while your probably tried to match your coin up to this die number, not all the devices will show the same spread as your coin.
Note on the ONE area of you coin?
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The image is the normal size of the devices. The ONE on your coin will look just like these.
The second coin is the DDR-002 image. Note the center of the devices? That is where the spread is on this coin.
The third image is the DDR-001, note how much larger the devices are on this die? Wider spread, enlarges the size of the devices. But on your coin, the devices will look like the normal coin. (the first one)
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Thanks COOP. GOOD PICS By the way! Regards
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