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1787 Fugio Cent NGC Vs You

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These seem really hard to grade. What do you guys think?


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 Posted 12/28/2021  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say EF-40, just a stab.
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looks to be between VF35 and XF40. I'm leaning to the VF side

the motto is as relevant today as it was then

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From what I understand, the motto actually means something closer to "Keep your affairs in order." Colloquial linguistic patterns have changed a lot since then!
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A fair bit sharper than my NGC VF20 example, I'd go VF35 here. You can see a degree of Die Deterioration exacerbated by the poor quality of the planchets that were being used.
This coin actually appears to be an overstrike with artifacts from the original coin visible on the obverse. Very nice!


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xf-40, these are tough to grade but this is a nice example.
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Lovely coin ... I'm in the XF range ... look forward to the grade reveal.
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Like some others I'm torn between 35 and 40. The obverse wants me to go with the higher grade. Very nice coin.
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And here it is!

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awesome coin. great grade. whats not to like here
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Wow super coin and grade, I'd be happy to have that in my pre-federal/colonial era collection.

Carlyle Luer had a really nice collection of early coins you can see all of them here:

https://coins.ha.com/c/search-resul...8+4294949659

This one sold for $1560.00 back in 2018 - probably a bargain today. A super coin, congrats on it Adam590.

The Heritage Catalog has a brief rundown of what was in the collection from my friend Mark:


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The Carlyle A. Luer Collection

Our Senior Numismatist, Mark Borckardt, noted that the FUN auction offers an amazing number of 1793 coppers, including seven 1793 Half Cents, 26 Chain cents, 28 Wreath cents, and five Liberty Cap cents. This gathering of 1793 coppers is unequaled for a SignatureŽ auction, in our memory. Some of these pieces come from The Carlyle A. Luer Collection, which focuses on Colonials and early large cents. The Luer Collection includes 11 of the aforementioned 1793 cents. The collection is especially rich in important 1794 large cents, several that came from the C. Douglas Smith with his typewritten envelopes, that the New York collector sold to Alfred Bonard in 1965. Others have Dorothy Paschal's typewritten envelopes. Highlights include a 1794 S-19a Head of 1793 cent that is tied for seventh finest known, a Condition Census 1794 S-25 cent that is graded AU53 NGC, a 1794 S-51 cent graded AU Details that is tied for finest known, and a 1794 S-64 Missing Fraction Bar cent that is certified MS62 Brown NGC and tied for second finest known. Other important pieces from the Carlyle A. Luer Collection include a Sommer Island sixpence, Small Portholes variety, graded VF25 NGC, and a 1652 Noe-1 Pine Tree Shilling graded MS62 NGC.
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Based on my Colonial/post Colonial experience, I would have been at VF35 on this one.
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Super nice coin! I'll be sure to send my coins to NGC going forward.
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