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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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What would be the reason that anybody at the mint would be welding on any coin? And I would stake my 45 years of experience in working with metal that no one could weld on any coin without destroying it.
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Moderator
 United States
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@sher, glad to have you here providing input although I disagree with your assessments of the coins' surfaces. Quote: I don't know if I am allowed to post my email. Sorry but that is not allowed.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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@Cujohn You are right. And I question where in the Mint we have welding, nowhere. All the line has 4 line assistance, including the expert of the randomly checking of the batches quality.
Those are: 1. forklift for put the rolls in place. 2. annealing. cleaning computer operator. 3. quality inspection and 4. forklift operator for bring the scrap bins and strike coins bins in the wright place. Even on the mechanical workshop they do not use welding, they ere just to replace parts if and when it is necessary. Those parts are seal bags from manufacture of the line and could not be accessible with out the team present.
Old way of striking it is far behind us.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: You have no way of telling if ANY of this is true or not unless you followed each coin directly from the mint. Once they leave the mint, coins can travel through many, many hands before being rolled by 3rd party compilers and be subject to lots of varying conditions before your bank ever obtains them regardless how minty fresh they might look to you! When a new issue of quarters are issued - as per their release schedule, and I pick up a $500.00 box from my bank, and every unopened roll and every coin is of the identically newly released variety, then every one of those coins is uncirculated. Travelling between a few intermediate locations does not alter this fact. Also, they don't actually travel through "Hands". You speak as if they are being actually held in peoples hands. I hope you really don't think so. silviosi, you make a valid point. Some coins could well have dulled during transportation/storage and later been mixed with others from a less hostile environment.
Edited by fplagge 01/06/2022 9:29 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Also, they don't actually travel through "Hands". You speak as if they are being actually held in peoples hands. I hope you really don't think so. You missed my whole point. They could have passed through many many actual hands between the time they came from the mint to the time they end up in yours! You have no way of telling one way or another. You are only theorizing that no human hands has touched your $500 box! I don't know, nor do you know unless you actually witnessed the transfer of each coin to you personally. 
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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agree with MERC. The Mint send to certified Banks and not sure probably to Loomis. Those certified Banks not more then two by State distribute also to theirs third party subcontractors for rolling and distribute in theirs State. So many hands on the coins before reach the customers.
PS. The coins are distributed by the Mint in bags, and the only way to have a new strike without interferences it is to buy a bag direct from the Mint if you has account with them.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Appears to me, there is no definitive answer to my question but great theories and great conversations, thank you all for your responses.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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@Sunny, Definitive answer it is an outside mint agent active the surface of the nickel. Experiment an new nickel coins put at -5 deg C from an environment of 20 deg C and then comes to tell me the result. Answer: will be dull. Another it is the composition of the S in the atmosphere of the coin. Co2 and Na give same results.
On Canadian coins and some from UK and Australia, due to the Cl concentration in the water use for wash, after 2 and more months the Ni become dull. Chemical reaction, and is natural.
I understand you want to be say that it is Mint default: but it is not.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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From what little I know and the short time I have dealt with coins, a little over a decade, I think this is relatively simple. There is nothing special about this, it is usually one of two things, when it comes to discoloration, environmental issue or an off mix in the elements. My personal feeling is it's environmental. It does not even matter if if were straight from the mint, the stops these coins make are so different in environment, it's not funny and as far as I know the trucks these are shipped in are not temperature controlled and some of the locations they go through, could be much less than controlled. These coins could have been through major transformations, hot to cold, dry to high moisture, before they ever found you and your destination, just my take.
-makecents-
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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@Make, you are 100% right, but understand all kind of fake YouTube from "super smart and extra experts", and etc. And also people want big money fast it is what we make face today.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I remember the Welding guy. He had a different profile name but same welding theory on many coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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When you look at PCGS on the certifed coins, they vary in color, eye appeal. They get get blanket grades by the coin grading. So they don't grade by mint condition of the metal. It is a grade issue for coin. Even Machine Doubling on a coin, doesn't ding the dollar amount. It is up to the buyer to determine what it is worth the them. See something you don't like, move on to a different coin. PGGS does consider die states either. They blanket price according to their grade they give the coin. So buying coins, it not buying a plastic issue. The eye appeal to the buyer is not considered. So if you get a VLDS coin or a EDS coin, they consider these the same price. As a buyer get the better grade example. The coin color/haze is also something that should affect the price of the coin, but lumped together by PCGS. So note only checking die state, but also color. That is the buyers job to make sure they are getting the coin they desire. If not there, pass! Better to have a coin your are proud to own, than to get a problem coin.
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