Coins Embedded Into A Cup. Yes. Coins Embedded Into A Cup

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Roma2021 Pillar of the Community Italy 1130 Posts	Posted 02/02/2022 04:59 am Ok. These are the type things I find around Rome; although never exactly this type thing... These coins are embedded into a pencil holder/ cup. Of course I can't check the reserves nor get a weight. Any chance anything here is legitimate? Looking forward to any thoughts! R. Report this Post to the Staff

erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 02/02/2022 05:20 am None of those are genuine, I would say. The Vercingetorix pieces are certainly modern fantasy products, and the others look a bit too "good" and perfectly rounded to be ancient. Apart from that, the things you have there look like they could have a nice decorative function (and it is perhaps just as well that genuine ancients haven't been destroyed for that purpose). Report this Post to the Staff
Roma2021 Pillar of the Community Italy 1130 Posts	Posted 02/02/2022 05:35 am I thought so. I didn't buy it, but found it curious. Based on cup, it's not something from the last 40 years. I think it's 50s-70s. C Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34397 Posts	Posted 02/02/2022 07:18 am @roma, any chance of you including a couple overall pics of the cup? Might be interesting to see the whole thing. Thx. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Roma2021 Pillar of the Community Italy 1130 Posts	Posted 02/02/2022 4:14 pm @spence, I go to that shop a lot and they have a proof ASE I may pick up tomorrow. It's in an old mint box and packaging - so I'll take a pic of the cup when I go... it's right by work and the workers are nice people. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 187702 Posts	Posted 02/02/2022 4:16 pm Very interesting! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
JohnConduitt Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 725 Posts	Posted 02/02/2022 5:47 pm It's good they used fakes. Obvious ones too, with rims and fantasy portraits, so it's not as if they were trying to fool anyone. They could easily have used a real Postumus! That one has character, though. Edited by JohnConduitt 02/02/2022 5:49 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Roma2021 Pillar of the Community Italy 1130 Posts	Posted 02/02/2022 5:50 pm Strangely enough, the cup's material is a soft spongy type texture - think 'pleather' or an inexpensive sofa material; the coins could be popped out . . . assuming someone wanted a nice collection of fakes! haha I will take a photo of the cup tomorrow. Thank you everyone for your responses. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16809 Posts	Posted 02/02/2022 11:58 pm In Italy, the trade in antiquities is regulated. All antiquities in Italy theoretically belong to the State, though the State recognizes that the vast majority of ancient coins are not of high cultural or historic interest so may be collected and traded by private individuals. Buying and selling genuine ancient coins requires a permit, to certify that the coins in question are not of cultural significance. Selling them to tourists or foreigners requires additional paperwork to allow the export of such coins. And while I'm not entirely certain, I'm pretty sure that deliberately damaging an ancient coin by affixing it into another artifact like a cup is against the law. Selling fakes and replicas of ancient coins is perfectly legal and requires no such paperwork. One would also hope and wish that the Italian customs officials, inspecting the luggage of a departing tourist with such an item in their possession, have been sufficiently trained to be able to tell that these are fakes. It would be a shame for a tourist to spend time in an Italian prison awaiting trial on antiquities smuggling charges, only for the "antiquities" in question to turn out to be tourist replicas. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
Roma2021 Pillar of the Community Italy 1130 Posts	Posted 02/09/2022 2:59 pm @sap ... Most ancients here are sold at market prices and do not require export paperwork. Some of the rare items do. This is a reputable dealer that will state when a coin needs an export permit https://www.moruzzi.it/ Diana numismatics is another which sells more common pieces at more common prices. I really enjoy looking for undervalued things. It's more the hunt than the kill... Report this Post to the Staff
Roma2021 Pillar of the Community Italy 1130 Posts	Posted 02/09/2022 3:00 pm Hello all, When I went back to the shop I couldn't find the cup. Maybe it was shuffled around and will reappear, but I couldn't get a pic. I'll try again next week.... Report this Post to the Staff
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