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1880-S Morgan Major Clash - Opinions Needed!

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 Posted 02/23/2022  10:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tolch123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I strongly believe I've got a seriously crazy Morgan, which I bought as part of an estate collection. I'm very well-versed in errors, and I'm very aware of the old "vice-sandwich" trick, for which this could be easily misconstrued (so please look past the initial couple of photos, as I've included some additional photos and illustrations). However, this is definitely not PMD. It almost seems something like a MAD clash.

1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!

I've included some illustrations as points of interest:

A.) Starting with the most obvious, the die device impressions are mirrored perfectly from on the rims of the reverse from 6:00 to 11:30;

1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!

and on the obverse, the dentils are clashed in the left field. The "A" in "America" is also "clashed" into the rim at 1:30, which I'll show below.

1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!

B.) Perhaps the most interesting feature is the leg of the first "A" in "AMERICA", which appears on the rim at 1:30 on the obverse. What is so absolutely fascinating about this is that when you rotate the reverse by 180 degrees in order to match up the image, the denticles of the reverse fall EXACTLY in line with the "clashed" crescent denticles in the left field of the obverse. Precisely, a crisp, puzzle-like fit. Taking into consideration the perfection of the reverse fit, combined with the fact that the obverse holds an "A" from the reverse that fits so absurdly perfectly, I see it as impossible that it could be anything but genuine.

1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!

C.) The unusual strikes appear far too crisp to be done slowly, or without significantly hard blows. Additionally, when looking at a couple of the reverse device letters in the "clashing", you can notice small breaking between the rim and the denticles. Specifically noting the first "S" in "STATES", there is a very slight break in the upper part of the "S" on the rim and the middle part of the "S", which continues into the denticles. The way that these secondary device "clash" strikes display, I'd argue that they are likely to be genuine;

1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!

And again on the obverse "A" from "AMERICA" on the reverse.

1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!
1880-S-Morgan-Major-Clash---Opinions-Needed!

The way that these secondary device "clash" strikes display, I'd argue that they are likely to be genuine.

All in all, I think for these reasons I can't help but believe that it's got to be some sort of clash. But I'd really, really love some opinions!
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 Posted 02/23/2022  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add La_isla to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you pay a premium? I've never seen anything like it. Sure looks like a clash. I know the angles are funky but it doesn't appear the size and shape of the letters match lettering on a Morgan.
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 Posted 02/24/2022  04:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice close ups, but a few too many. Have you checked the VAM site? Looks like PMD to me but Morgans are not my area.
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