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1878 Seated Liberty Quarter Grade

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 Posted 03/04/2022  8:52 pm Show Profile   Check collector.detector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add collector.detector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,
I have this quarter that I purchased to potentially get graded and resell.
I know it has been cleaned - is there any chance it could straight grade, as I have seen a few examples that mode their way into au58 holders with cleaning?
Furthermore, is it UNC details?
May it worth it to send out just to give the buyer peace of mind?
see here:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-qua...#guides-info
Photos taken with flash to show cleaning



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 Posted 03/04/2022  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does not immediately appear cleaned in these images. Why do you think so?
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 Posted 03/04/2022  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Check collector.detector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add collector.detector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just thought that it must've been whizzed or dipped at some point point because of how shiny it was. The coin looks no different in hand than in the photos.
If the from these photos, it looks like it would straight grade, what would be a reasonable grade?
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Surfaces do not look right to me, primarily the obverse. They look altered, whizzed. See what others say.
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I suppose the real observation here would be if it still displays a cartwheel luster. Something we can't assess from a still picture. Coin looks quite pleasing to me except for some rim issues.
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Images not in the sharpest focus on my screen - may? be hiding tiny hairlines etc. Seems to have very minor wear on Lib's cheek and boobs.

Some rim issues as Mister T has observed.
Need some edge photos to confirm minor rim Cud or otherwise.

AU-58, nice luster.
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 Posted 03/04/2022  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Too much glare on the pics to see whats going on.
But I'd say aUNC details.
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Odd lighting, but appears whizzed. Some album rim toning acquired subsequently.
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Interesting die crack on the reverse.
Maybe a slight angle change on the pic will give us a better idea of the surface?
As is...I'm at AU something
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The OP provided a link to the auction pictures, which are much better. It went for top dollar, to say the least. I'll crop out the PCGS grade in case you still want to guess:



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the link says this coin is PCGS graded at UNC details and its trueview photos so I'm confused

Slightly Lithuanian Zac, are you saying you would crack it out and resub to attempt to get a straight grade.

i kind of agree with Ty2020b. the obverse (when blown up) shows signs of a cleaning possibly lightly whizzed. looking close at the obverse right field you can see both vertical and horizontal hairlines overlapping
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the link says this coin is PCGS graded at UNC details and its trueview photos so I'm confused


The photos I posted right above you aren't the trueviews, which are always deceptive.

Heritage, wisely, never posts Trueviews without also posting its own pics, which are pretty much always honest. You may need to log in to see them.
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To answer the OP's questions about re-slabbing and selling this coin:

* In my view there's no point in re-submitting. Any TPG is going to recognize this coin as cleaned. The only different grade it might fetch is AU (cleaned), because one can see very faint signs of wear.

* It's perfectly fine to use the Heritage auction photos to sell this coin. It is not fine at all to use Trueview photos.

* I'm afraid that at $504 you've probably over-paid. It's unlikely you could get that selling it on ebay even using the trueviews. In fact the only way you could conceivably get that for it is if you break it out of the slab, use the trueview pics, and then feign ignorance about how it graded. Some might miss the cleaning and the tiny wear spots and conclude MS-64 or MS-65. That's unethical, but you could pull it off.

* It is a pretty coin many would like to own, so the best strategy would be to hold on to it for awhile and let it appreciate.



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The OP's coin and the heritage auction coin are two different coins. The HA coin has a scratch by star 11, and the OP's coin has a die crack around the legend.

The OP's coin looks AU Details Wizzed. The wizzing creates artificial luster, but upon closer inspection, the surfaces aren't original.
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The Heritage link coin and the OP coin appear not be the same coin? Was the Heritage link provided to show what a UNC Cleaned example looks like?
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Quote:
The Heritage link coin and the OP coin appear not be the same coin?


You're right. I was fooled for a second by the little dig near the shoulder on the obverse, but they are not the same shape and not in quite the same place.

The whole thread is suspect.
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