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1880-S Morgan Dollar. California Cameo Doctoring

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Hey all!

I purchased this coin along with a few others from ebay. Unfortunately I wasn't aware of what happened to this coin before I bought it, so it cost me $80.

It was an uncommon practice to sandblast the devices of an uncirculated Morgan to make it appear DMPL. This doctoring was called a "California Cameo" or "California Proof".

The main giveaway for this doctoring is the lack of luster on the devices. When I first saw it, before I had any suspicions about it, the very first thing that I noticed was the "dead" devices.

Not a big deal, it's a lesson learned, and not a huge loss.


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Must agree it looks sort of "dead", but I'm not skilled at evaluating something like this.
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Wow, that is certainly evident on the obverse at the bottom of the bust and on all of the devices. Good catch.

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I've never heard of California Cameo. Super cool, thanks for sharing!
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I took a steep angle picture of the coin, here you can see the rough surface of the sandblasted area.


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That last pic really helped me to understand what you were describing. Thx for adding that.
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I've never heard of this before either...I would have just thought poor lighting or pic skills.
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Something else to keep in mind...
Thanks for sharing.
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Yes, does look to be 'expired'.
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It would make a nice belt buckle.

I did hear the term used years ago but could not find where but I'm pretty sure it was a member here on CCF.

Edit to add - found it. I thought it was @westcoin. http://goccf.com/t/107263#906608
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Great shot, thanks.
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I did hear the term used years ago but could not find where but I'm pretty sure it was a member here on CCF.

That was probably be me. They were known as "California Prooflikes" and they tended to be a lot better than this one. Often the fields were more highly polished to a mirrorlike finish and they usually did a better job withte frosting of the devices. I have an 1881 S with about 10 inch mirrors and the frost is well done. I haven't seen one in years and the last one I saw was believe it or not, done to a Peace dollar!
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The lazy way to do this is to put a coin in a rock tumbler with pebbles and sand. It gives the sandblast look to the whole coin though. It is more useful for improving the appearance of shiny polished coins.
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That was probably be me. They were known as "California Prooflikes"


Yep, changed my exact phrase search to "California ProoflikeS" and you came up in numerous search hits.
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