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Finally Found One! 1970-D Quarter Struck On Dime Stock

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Silviosi, when you say [tinny planchet] are you saying thin planchet? This was not a dime planchet, it was quarter size slug punched out of dime stock. It will weigh more than a dime and less than a quarter. Doesn't matter when the mint caught the error, some of them got through.
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@Cu: If was from the dime roll was suppose to have same high. Do not go just by the weight it is not what can decide in this case, many others factors come in considerations.

Yes some errors past through no doubt. The check some coins randomly on batches of 2000 coins, so the possibility to catch all errors for me is 10 to 2000.

Like I post before here on this treat, planchet by Mint mean the roll and the cut coin before no others intervention. You guys say stock for the rolls.

Now to explain the rolls: Thos rolls pass in what we say Laminors or rolling machine in order to achieve the right thickness (something like any one know the pasta machine). Due to the forces applied to thinner the material, the begins and the ends of those rolls are thinners then the rest of the roll (planchet). They cut those ends but not always precisely so like this we can find thinners coins.

Now to explain the word planchet. Planchet meaning it is an raw flat material from which will be develop by different processes an end product.

Hope was enough clear..
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It is the same height as a dime. You say the rolls go through the rolling machine to get the right thickness, this roll went through to get the dime thickness then was punched out as quarter diameter, , dime stock punched out as quarter dia. will weigh more than a dime and less than a quarter. Then when it was struck with quarter dies it didn't fill the chamber, so it wasn't struck up fully.
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Stock material in the rolls.
When cut they are called "blanks".
when the proto rim is added, then it is a "planchet".
When they are struck, they are called a "coin". (even it the coin is an error coin)

So on this coin, the wrong stock material was used.
The "blanks" were cut from "dime stock" instead of "quarter stock". The "setup" was not as successful, as the normal height of the planchets were dime height and not as tall as a normal quarter setup.
The strike was weaker as the "height of the planchet" was short in metal on "dime stock". Thus the weak strike of these quarters, being on "dime stock". They will be found in rolls of quarters, not found in "dime rolls". (The size of the "quarter" wouldn't fit into the "dime rolls")

Hope this helps.
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Thanks COOP for add the right numismatic nomenclature.

@Cu, OK ,if you consider like this is OK for me, your choice. I will not buy this coin as struck on Dime roll.
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This may be a wrong stock metal error, thinness of dime. Found for 1965, 1967, 1970-D, 1979. 1970-d easily found weight 4.2 to 4.4 and thinness like dime. circulated value 1970-d 20-30, uncirculated 50-80 Description: look at the thickness of the edge and very weak or poorly defined features. look for very weak details and a quarter that is the thickness of a Roosevelt dime, with very few detailed reeds on the coins edge.
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HGK3: What are the criteria for distinguishing between a rolled thin planchet and a struck on the wrong stock error? Since the dime and quarter are both clad with the same two layers of material, wouldn't a rolled thin planchet look exactly the same as this quarter? If not, what does one look for to determine the difference between the two errors?


This error is a quarter with the thickness of a Roosevelt dime, a weight of 4.2-4.4g, with very few detailed reeds on the coins edge and very weak or poorly defined features. The rolled thin planchet are coins struck on a planchet punched out of stock that was rolled too thin on the rolling mill so they are just lower in weight. A 1974 quarter was struck on a rolled-thin planchet and weighs 4.92 grams instead of the normal 5.67 grams which can be much different then the specific error above weight with a thickness of a Roosevelt dime. The rolled thin planchet can theoretically turn up for any year and not just quarters, while this error is known only to be found on 1965, 1967, 1970-D, 1979 quarters so far.
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@Data: Please, can you give the provenance of this information? Interest me.
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Just common sense. Dime thin stock, quarter thick stock.
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Nice purchase for $1.50.
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Quarter struck on dime stock. Right?
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Silviosi: @Data: Please, can you give the provenance of this information? Interest me.


I have information collected from a large variety of different sources as I was learning over the years. In this case however I just used the information from the book Strike it rich with pocket change (Latest 5th edition) starting on p239, 243 since it covered the description of what to look for to identify the error that was missing in this thread, the years of the error known to be found on quarters and covers all of them separately. It also covers the most current suggested values which is why I find it a good source of information to consult. In general the values in that book are accurate since its a recent edition, however 'quality' coins such as top grades can go substantially higher than whats listed as the book is focused more on grades found in pocket change so if you have a prime example you may well exceed the pricing and of course there is always variation in pricing with auctions and demand changes. A great find for $1.50.

Quarter struck on dime stock. Right?
Yes (on dime thickness stock) which is different than struck onto a dime planchet. It is a quarter with a wrong stock metal error, thinness of dime. NGC lists it as 25c struck on 10c thickness stock (4.2g is the weight in this image).

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I am happily following along here; Lets keep it up! Good to see Silviosi learning as myself also...
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Thanks datadragon
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Thanks DATA, seem very interesting, I will go to read this book.
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