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This is a bit of an odd specimen for which I was originally thinking there was a planchet delamination, but I haven't ruled out the possibility of its being merely damaged once in circulation, as the reverse exhibits some suspicious areas of flattening. However, I do note that on the obverse there is an additional issue with the rim being oversized at the bottom.   Colligo ergo sum
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Looks, to me, to be a copper 1982 large date with a monster lamination peel or planchet flaw. Cool Lincoln Cent. |
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Looks to be damage, but with that much damage to the obv, you would think there wood be as much to the rev? I think the rim on the obv is just MAD. Weigh it if that was a lam, and I don't think it is, it should weigh a lot less.
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My vote is for PMD. John1  |
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I can understand why the question was asked.
Although I think what we see here is post strike damage,
I cannot dismiss the possibility that it could be a massive detached lamination peel, or a
strike through debris and the inclusion has fallen off in circulation.
With this coin, accurate weight has to be known, to give much credence to any of the theories expressed, including mine.
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Its weight is 3.08 grams.
Colligo ergo sum
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I'm going with PMDDisplaced metal on the front and damage on the reverse. |
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Hmm I'm on team damage for this one. I'm struggling to think of how the rim could looks this way in the vicinity of TRUST if this is a lam. I'm interested to see where we land as a group though.
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Pre strike foliation and due to the circulation detached, this it is on Observe. The Reverse show alloy mix small problem. No ways PMD. |
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Looks like intentional damage - the damage is far too flat (doesn't look rough like it was torn off) Plus some of the jig and jags look too rounded as if done by a Dremel or milling tool.
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PSD. Note the splash marks of metal movement on the lower half of the obverse. If the metal moved, it would not be a strike issue. As the area in question would have the fields.devices shaped to the item struck through and the fields would not be moved. Moved away on the coin always yells out PSD to me.   The design would be contained by the die if it were a mint error. Splash out, gives this one away. PSD. |
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I would remark at this point in the discussion that the specimen's minuscule deviation from full weight would seem to exclude one prior suggestions, this being that the obverse was carved out with a Dremel tool or the like. If the depressed area was due to being struck with something while in circulation, what would that have been to leave such a ragged, irregular shape? I was sort of leaning toward another thought expressed above, that it was struck through some sort of debris that either remained on the die, or if embedded in the surface of the coin later fell off. But I have to concede that conjecture fails to explain how the reverse came to be as it is, which does seem to suggest this is a case of post mint damage, if not in fact a deliberate attempt to deceive by making it appear that there was a large delamination.
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss
04/14/2022 2:04 pm
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No Dremel could done this. I stay with an ex-foliation before strike and an wrong mix of alloy. Please analyze the circles R and O, we can see the material structure and this could not be done artificially.  |
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Silviosi Wouldn't a lam this big before the strike take more than .02 gr off the weight?
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@Sivilosi: you rotated the reverse image by 180 degrees. Was that an attempt to show that the reverse damage is related to the damage on the obverse at the bottom of the bust? You need to remember that US coins aren't minted like Canadian coins are (Medal orientation) but in stead are flipped top to bottom. So, the damage on the reverse is actually at the pot of Lincoln's head (an area where there is no damage) So I do not think that the reverse/obverse damage are directly related to each other. I hope that the OP ia still monitoring this topic and can post up close-up images of the reverse side damage, and maybe the obverse that silviosi circled. I still think that this is intentional mechanical damage. |
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