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Most Scarce Roman Emperors?

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A fairly simple question that I haven't seen addressed much. Once you've moved past the Twelve Caesars, issues of which emperors, if you happen to run across one, would be an absolute "no-brainer" to pick up based solely on rarity?

Certainly some usurper coinage was very short-lived, as was that of various pretenders and secessionists, so I shouldn't be surprised to see some of those names on such a list.

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Immediate answer: anyone in the Western Empire past Valentinian III. There's a run of close to a dozen emperors, all rare, all obscure (except for Romulus Augustulus, whom everyone knows as the last one), all available mostly in gold (they had to mint a lot of it to pay off the barbarians) but occasionally in other types.

[EDIT: here's an apparently-complete list: Petronius Maximus, Avitus, Majorian, Libius Severus, Anthemius, Olybrius, Glycerius, Julius Nepos, Romulus Augustus. Apparently there's a bunch of nearly-as-rare emperors between Honorius and Valentinian III as well...]

The top rarest overall are probably Silbannacus (mildly doubted, only known from his coins) and Domitian II (was thought to be made up until one of his coins was found in the middle of a well-recorded clump).
There's a bunch of other big-name rarities, but offhand I can't think of anyone even close to similarly rare who was actually an emperor and not an imperial relative. IIRC there's a few more that are suspected to be possibly old fakes.

Staying within the Twelve Caesars period, there's always Clodius Macer...
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Any Western emperor after Honorius is rare in the English-speaking world, mainly because Honorius was the guy in charge when Rome evacuated from Britain. So coins of post-Honorius emperors are almost never dug up in Britain.

As for the "mainstream" (i.e. non-usurper) emperors, as a general rule the briefer the reign, the rarer and more valuable the coinage. Didius Julianus, the man who purchased the emperorship when the Praetorian Guard held an auction for it, only reigned for two months in 193 AD (the "Year of the Five Emperors"); he is probably the scarcest of the Five as his rule was largely unrecognized outside Rome itself and virtually none of the army was in his pay.

Balbinus and Pupienus, joint co-emperors elevated by the Senate in a panic when their previous candidates, Gordian I and Gordian II, both fell in battle to Maximinus Thrax in AD 238 (the "Year of the Six Emperors"), also ruled for about two months. Coins of Gordian I and Gordian II are also scarce, due to their short reign, though they can sometimes be difficult to tell apart from the much more common coinage of Gordian III.

As you can tell, whenever there was a time known as "The Year of the {insert number larger than three} Emperors", you've got yourself some scarce emperors to find.
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Several during the tetrarchy and Constantinian period including Domitius Domitianus, Domitianus Alexander, Valens (under Licinius), Martinian (Licinius again) Nepotianus, Procopius and Vetranio


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I recall reading somewhere that Domitius Domitianus holds the record for the latest provincial coin; by the late 3rd century provincial issues had petered out, and Diocletian's reform squeezed out the last ones.
(There are a few Bosporan issues that are nominally attributed to later emperors, but they don't qualify because they don't actually mention which emperor they are under, only the date and the local king.)
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This is a fairly reliable list (see table 2):
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/n...ity%20tables
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This is a fairly reliable list (see table 2)
Immediate qualification: this is a list for imperial coinage, and does not represent how (e.g.) provincial coins in the name of Tranquillina are relatively common. That aside, however, this is a far better list than some others I've seen.

...though I'd still dispute the position of Valentinian III. How come he's always so darn low in those lists? I didn't think his coins are anywhere near that rare. He's placing lower than Johannes, for ch*rping's sake, and Johannes is pretty famously rare. Did I miss something?
It can't be the "pulled out from Britain" thing, because Johannes had a very short reign that was immediately followed by Valentinian III's much longer one, and both were after Honorius.

(I don't get how Marcian managed to place above Leo, either, but that might be just me... I had half a dozen Leo coins before I could find myself a Marcian. And in that case it could just be that the earlier types were more likely to end up in the west.)
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Also I feel the scarcity list will depend on the depth of your pocket! If you have unlimited funds a lot of these very scarce rulers can be found and purchased but depending on your budget the scarcity list becomes longer..
Just my opinion.
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In terms of official emperors (which I define as those ratified by the Senate and generally unopposed by any official authority), I believe Olybrius takes the cake, with only 12 or 13 known coins across all denominations, most of which are in museums. Romulus Augustus isn't much more common, but usually brings strong six figures due to the romantic association of his abdication to the official beginning of the Dark Ages.

In terms of usurpers, there are a few unique ones of dubious quality, but Domitianus II, Saturnius, and Silbannacus are all known from two coins each and are accepted to be authentic coins of a real individual.
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Also I feel the scarcity list will depend on the depth of your pocket!

That's a valid point.

My original question was kind of from the standpoint of how I'm on occasion able to acquire Roman coins, and that'd be the circumstance where shops I patronize come into older, disorganized, sometimes unattributed (or alternately misattributed) collections, that I'm fortunate enough to get to peruse before the material is sorted out. More often than not these accumulations will consist largely, if not wholly, of late bronzes, and the ones among these that pique my interest are quite naturally those bearing a name I don't immediately recognize, or that at least I know I don't see all the time.

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With late bronzes, familiarize yourself with the Constantinian dynasty, the Valentinian dynasty, and the Theodosian dynasty- all members of those (except Nepotian and Hanniballianus) are common, and basically everyone else is scarce to rare.

Past Honorius, the main challenge is that most rare emperors issued the same types as common emperors, and rarely have more than just a couple visible letters. I have a small bag of "maybe Johannes" Victory type AE4s which could also be Valentinian III, Honorius, Theodosius II, etc.

The *really* rare ones mostly did not issue bronze at all, just gold and sometimes silver. The odds of finding a Jovinus or Petronius Maximus unattributed in a collection is incredibly slim, but I suppose not impossible.
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