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A shop has a fair number of these... The owner was an older collector who recently passed away and his family is consigning these. Apparently, he didn't know you shouldn't do this.

The price on these is going to drop soon... The Morgans are at 29.99 euro right now ...

Curious to hear anyone's thoughts and opinions ...
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IMHO,a harshly cleaned coin is only worth melt value unless it is a very rare coin.You might also want to make sure they are genuine and silver.
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@john... They ping, measure out, and aren't cast.... Just shocking someone would think this was a good idea.

I get a dip, but who wants a coin to look like that?
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unfortunately, all kinds of mischief--some well intentioned--happens to coins. Many, many decades ago, cleaning coins wasn't considered the evil that it is today.
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The coin looks polished to me.
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Would never buy a cleaned coin in the ordinary course of building a collection.
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I'd pay melt just to add to the Morgan dollar count.
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I have no idea what this guy did, but the fields aren't scratched or marked like many heavily polished coins.
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Here are a few more of the coins...
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Sadly that type of thing is way too common here in New Zealand. A good quarter of all my halfcrowns, florins and shillings are cleaned and/or polished. Most of it was done between the 1960s and 1980s.

Even worse is many are high grade coins which is worse. None of those coins look to be in poor condition and they are mainly VF/EF.
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@princetane I agree. The high polish shows every single nick, scratch, and contact mark... Even more reason why the polishing is so confusing; at least patina hides some of the scars.
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unfortunately, all kinds of mischief--some well intentioned--happens to coins. Many, many decades ago, cleaning coins wasn't considered the evil that it is today.


I respectfully beg to differ.,
I was taught, no, I had it burned into my head many many decades ago, that to clean a coin beyond just rinsing with water was profoundly wrong. Any alteration of the coins surface is tampering, if not out and out fraud in some cases. I still believe it so.
Whereas today, cleaning, dipping and even toning with a torch is acceptable.
Don't believe me, check these out on epay.... canyoncity coins.......funny how they all have the same color. Some even have major grading company approval? Go figure.
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Don't forget, the reason that never-cleaned coins are more valuable than cleaned coins, is that they are rarer. As the decades turn into centuries, the probability that someone who inherits a coin will know nothing about coin collecting doctrines and simply want to "clean up this dirty old coin" increases.
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On the subject of "acceptable cleaning", there are of course times when cleaning a coin is necessary. A coin with active corrosion must be treated, lest the corrosion continue to spread and eventually destroy the coin completely (silver doesn't tend to form such corrosion, so the coins pictured in this thread are exempt from this excuse). And a coin found by metal detecting is likely going to need cleaning beyond mere "rinsing with water", especially if it has been in the ground (or even worse, the ocean) for hundreds of years or more.

Such coins will be considered "cleaned", and nothing can change that, though age and certain artificial treatments can try to hide it. But from the point of view of a seller or future owner of such a coin, it's a case of "a cleaned coin is better than no coin at all".
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I don't get why people don't like the natural beauty of a coin. Good things don't have to be shiny and perfect.
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