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Two Seated Liberty Dollars - Grade And Advice

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Hello,

These are two Seated Liberty dollar coins, from 1842 and 1846. There appears to be some kind of adhesive or stain on them. I am not very knowledgeable about these things and would love to know:
- what sort of condition are they in?
- should I send them off to PCGS to be restored, and then graded?

Thank you for the help
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Can you show larger images of these coins, please, and just one per thread.



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1842: XF45 - Acetone should take care of the adhesive. The chemicals in the adhesive could have reacted with the coin's surface but it doesn't look like it from the pictures.

1846: AU50
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If you soak the coin in acetone, do not wipe dry. It would be fine to pat dry, but not necessary as the acetone will evaporate once the coin is removed.
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When the op removes the remnant adhesive from that first coin, won't there likely be differential toning where that tape had previously protected the surface from oxidation?
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Borderline XF-AU. Beautiful coins that are hard to find nice! I am having trouble myself looking for affordable examples for my type set album. I say don't send them in to PCGS, although it depends what you are going to do with them. Are you looking to keep them or sell them?
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Thank you for the help/advice. I would post larger images but the image size limit of the forums seems to make it difficult. If it's allowed I can link an album with better photos on an external site, but the website seems to discourage that so I won't do it unless I'm told I can.

Would these be worth sending to PCGS for restoration and/or grading?

I am planning to hold on to them for a while but I'd like to make sure they are preserved properly and graded in case I do want to sell them eventually.
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Sorry, pics just too small to evaluate in what I think would be a helpful way.
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Here is a link to better photos, if you zoom in there should be plenty of detail: https://drive.google.com/drive/fold...?usp=sharing
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When the op removes the remnant adhesive from that first coin, won't there likely be differential toning where that tape had previously protected the surface from oxidation?


Good chance of that happening, but it's better than getting a details grade due to adhesive or organic material all over the surfaces, plus getting the glue residue off now prevents further damage over time.
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Both are XF45
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Great coins.
Is it not possible to remove the glue with running water, yes it is much longer in time, but I think this is a more gentle option.
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getting the glue residue off now prevents further damage over time.


Ok yep that is a great point. Thx.
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removal of the tape will most likely result in a lighter area than the rest of the coin but will conserve it from any future issues. the 46 has a rim hit at K1. I'm not sure if its bad enough to details the coin. theres probably enough value there to slab and conserve them. you need to be happy with the thought that both could be come back as details.

42 - XF45
46 - AU50

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Thank you for the evaluations. What exactly does "details mean", in the context of the coins value?
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Details means it is a problem coin. If it is sent in to a grading company, then it would return in a "details" holder, or a holder without a specific grade. The problem is usually identified on the holder such as cleaned, whizzed, or environmental damage.

Value wise, a problem coin is worth less than a non problem coin. It depends on the severity of the problem. Your coins aren't too bad, although the rim ding is very distracting.
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