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2021 D Quarter Die Clash?

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 Posted 07/19/2022  2:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CRHunting to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey Everyone!
I found this quarter that appears to have a die clash on both the obverse and reverse of the coin.

I wanted to share it with the community and get any thoughts/input.

Thanks!

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Hmm... It doesn't seem to line up with a standard die clash and the marks don't look right. Let me do some tweaking on the Photoshop overlay and see if I can find anything that lines up correctly.

Interesting.

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 Posted 07/19/2022  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've tried to adjust the overlay, but I can't seem to get anything to line up. Could it be a strike through from a very thin layer of oil? The area behind Washington's hair looks like it could have had some metal shavings on the die.

I'm curious as to what others think.

again!

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I'm thinking PIDT. Ghosting
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My first thoughts as well.
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I don't think it can be PIDT.

First, the outline of Washington ghosted onto the reverse would still generally follow the outline of Washington's bust as shown on the clash overlay. But here we see something running from the second A in Delaware in an arc to Washington's sword when there's no part of the bust in that area.

Second, the outline of Washington's bust on the obverse shows the same kind of marks, behind his head for instance, when there clearly can't be PIDT of Washington's bust onto the obverse.

I'm with Yoko that this is some time of oil or grease strike through. Notice that area near the sword on the reverse appears to show some radial flow lines on both sides of the depression but nothing inside it?
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I too, am with Yokozuna, on the thin layer of oil/grease, at a very high temp from impact. You can see it coming from crescent areas, where it was held and then spreading out. I like it.
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 Posted 07/19/2022  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CRHunting to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always enjoy coins like this that take a little bit of detective work to figure out. I was looking for other examples and I found 1 person on ebay selling 2 coins that appear to have the same raised line on the reverse coming from Washington's nose:https://www.ebay.com/itm/234443322405

I wish the images were better but at least it might add another piece to the puzzle.
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I see Machine Doubling on the bust and some of the devices on this coin.
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Hey Coop, I definitely agree that there's a lot of Machine Doubling. Do you have any thoughts on the Struck Through Grease vs. PIDT vs. something else that caused the other major distortions?
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The more I look at this coin the more I think it's struck through a thin layer of oil or grease. The areas between the lines look like pools of oil that were on the die when the coin was struck.

I made the Photoshop image highlighting what I see as areas that are struck through. The coin may have other areas as well, but this is what I am seeing on the images that have been posted.

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Here is an overlay:
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I see nothing on your coin like a clash mark. (it would be on the fields if it were a clash.
Went back to the images on the top part of the thread. Possible clash marks on the neck. The color was hiding it. It might be a clash. Looks like there was a clash there, but they ignored it and hoped the lines would go away on their own.
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Nice work, Yokozuna.
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I'm really going back and forth on this one. I thought it could be a die clash from a slightly rotated die but I have tried matching it up in photoshop without finding the smoking gun alignment. Some of the marks match up well like the strong curved line through the sword but others like the line coming from Washington's mouth on the reverse seem nearly impossible to match up to a clash. I've also never seen a strike through grease impact the fields around lettering without impacting the lettering itself. Is the idea for this coin a clash + grease strike to account for all the different anomalies?
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