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Pillar of the Community
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I'm thinking PIDT. Ghosting
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 My first thoughts as well. How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 |
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I don't think it can be PIDT.
First, the outline of Washington ghosted onto the reverse would still generally follow the outline of Washington's bust as shown on the clash overlay. But here we see something running from the second A in Delaware in an arc to Washington's sword when there's no part of the bust in that area.
Second, the outline of Washington's bust on the obverse shows the same kind of marks, behind his head for instance, when there clearly can't be PIDT of Washington's bust onto the obverse.
I'm with Yoko that this is some time of oil or grease strike through. Notice that area near the sword on the reverse appears to show some radial flow lines on both sides of the depression but nothing inside it?
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I too, am with Yokozuna, on the thin layer of oil/grease, at a very high temp from impact. You can see it coming from crescent areas, where it was held and then spreading out. I like it.
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I always enjoy coins like this that take a little bit of detective work to figure out. I was looking for other examples and I found 1 person on ebay selling 2 coins that appear to have the same raised line on the reverse coming from Washington's nose: https://www.ebay.com/itm/234443322405I wish the images were better but at least it might add another piece to the puzzle. |
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Hey Coop, I definitely agree that there's a lot of Machine Doubling. Do you have any thoughts on the Struck Through Grease vs. PIDT vs. something else that caused the other major distortions? |
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The more I look at this coin the more I think it's struck through a thin layer of oil or grease. The areas between the lines look like pools of oil that were on the die when the coin was struck. I made the Photoshop image highlighting what I see as areas that are struck through. The coin may have other areas as well, but this is what I am seeing on the images that have been posted.  ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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07/21/2022 07:16 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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Here is an overlay:    I see nothing on your coin like a clash mark. (it would be on the fields if it were a clash. Went back to the images on the top part of the thread. Possible clash marks on the neck. The color was hiding it. It might be a clash. Looks like there was a clash there, but they ignored it and hoped the lines would go away on their own. Edited by coop
07/23/2022 1:56 pm
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Nice work, Yokozuna.
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I'm really going back and forth on this one. I thought it could be a die clash from a slightly rotated die but I have tried matching it up in photoshop without finding the smoking gun alignment. Some of the marks match up well like the strong curved line through the sword but others like the line coming from Washington's mouth on the reverse seem nearly impossible to match up to a clash. I've also never seen a strike through grease impact the fields around lettering without impacting the lettering itself. Is the idea for this coin a clash + grease strike to account for all the different anomalies?
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Pillar of the Community
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It's not super unusual to have more than one thing going on with a coin at the same time, you could have a clash and a grease/oil filled die at the same time, that created this coin. Very cool, regardless.
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Hey Everyone, I have a super bizarre update on this one. I was just going through some other quarter rolls that were from a completely different box than the coin that started this thread. I found another 2021 D coin that made me do a double take. At first glance it just looked like a dirty coin but then I realized the dirt pattern looked amazingly similar to the images that Yokozuna posted previously. So much so that it's kind of hard to believe. Here's Yokozuna's picture:  And here's the new coin:   Maybe it's another piece to the puzzle. |
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In 1999 the design of the master hub was raise in order to accommodate the new Reverse design of the quarters, this result in more flow during the strike from high design to the sides.
The die clash? I doubt. The presses will stop if the collar do not have a planchet insert.
Grease? Other big question because is use very liquid grease kind and will never have time to solidify. This emulsify need more then 400 deg C to become solid to have struck over grease.
What we see here I saw at this coins with high relief I saw from far more then this period for the coins like this.
The second coins show me an Observe before retirement.
Strike trough it is possible if something float there or the hammer have. In general all the coins has like small vale near the high relief of the coin due to the forces applied and flow of the core material.
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Bedrock of the Community
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It might be DDD? Note the devices on "OF AMERICA." Showing a movement towards the rim. So it might be an aging die, with Progressive Indirect Die Transfer, starting to show on the coin? Kind of reminds me of that a bit with the colors on the coin.  |
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