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Staff Edit: GMM = Gallery Mint MuseumLatest to come through a Dealer's shop is this 1796 "quarter"; pretty obvious once you compare it to a known Galley Mint example:    Others I have images of include this "1793 large cent",  a 1787 Fugio,   a very rare 1786 New Jersey,   and a 1796 $2.5 gold piece that found its way into a genuine TPG holder! I actually wrote a Coin Week article on that one at https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/f...arter-eagle/ Best, Jack. Edited by burfle23
10/15/2022 3:45 pm
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Calling NTC a "genuine" TPG is being really generous of you. GMM copies have turned up off and on on ebay in very worn condition (enough to get rid of the COPY stamp) for years now. One has to be very careful in looking at low grade examples of any early coins that GMM made copies of. |
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One in my collection; this one was also for sale on the Bay but from a known good seller; countermarked to try to hide the truth:  Edited by burfle23
10/15/2022 7:19 pm
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The AC counterstamped one cracked me up.
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Wonderful collection, thanks for sharing!
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Very interesting!
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Wow, crimminal, trying to hide the copy stamp.
Edited by livingwater
10/16/2022 10:44 am
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And another recent!   And a second previously listed on the Bay:  Edited by burfle23
10/16/2022 3:48 pm
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here is one I bought a couple years ago. I bought it as part of a bulk lot on ebay from a reputable dealer.   |
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Interesting to me that the ghosting of COPY is still visible on all of them except for the counterstamp AC slapped over top of it. Arguably that would suggest that these aren't too dangerous, a solid look at it and you can still read COPY off most of them even after the damage. Since they're copying rare pieces, the price tag they would be trying to go for would hopefully get someone to stop and look closely at the details.
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my Half Cent fooled a room of 30 people at the eac convention this year. they are quite deceptive. there is a story about a very knowledgable large cent expert who was convinced he was involved in the discovery of a new variety of 1793 cent. traveled to see the coin. wrote up some articles. turned out to be a weathered gmm. they have made it into slabs. the most expert of experts, the tpgs and many advanced collectors have been fooled by them. copies exist without the copy punch. it was applied after striking. |
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intresting specimens.... thanks for the read.
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Edited by burfle23
11/30/2022 08:31 am
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Very interesting. Thank you for sharing.  |
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Many of the coins that show significant detail don't seem that convincing. The 1793 wreath cent in your collection seems very crudely executed. The 1793 Half Cent seems to have an oddly curved up, smile-shaped fraction divider. The really worn down coins are more convincing. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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The really worn down coins are more convincing. Indeed. And that is a real danger for less educated buyers. |
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