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Is This Really Real 1893-S Morgan Dollar

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Picked this up for a great deal recently. Hard to believe it's real, but I've weighed it (26.73g), size and it a appears good. Can you tell?

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 Posted 12/22/2022  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Need to see the edge, and a close-up ot LIBERTY on the headband. All examples struck from this single-die issue have a spike. People who make fakes from genuine coins can copy device placement over denticles, for example, but no one has copied US Mint Milling. However, the lettering on the reverse looks suspect, so I'd say "no dice"
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Gosh, sorry but no. All of them have the 1 centered over a denticle, and yours is centered over the gap. The mint mark is also way too high. Learn to look up and compare before you buy. Nobody gets a "great deal" on a 1893-S Morgan. Get your money back.
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The date position is wrong for an 1893-S. I suspect it is not genuine.
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Did you do the magnet test? Did you do the tissue test?
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Exact weight and comparative ping tone test against a known genuine silver Dollar should prove, either way.
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I vote fake, agree the MM is wrong.
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In this case....
You don't need the edge.
You don't need the weight.
You don't need the MM position.
You don't need the ping test.
You don't need the magnet test.
You don't need to examine LIBERTY.

100% of genuine 1893-S Morgan dollars were struck from one obverse die.
That die had the date in a specific position, your coin's date in not in that position.
Therefore, that is the ONLY test needed to conclusively declare that your coin is a counterfeit.

Genuine date position:
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Additional information for those interested:

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...-dollar.html
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Congratulations to those who guessed it was fake. Several retakes were required, but the dealer checked the metal content and found that it was not silver.
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As responders to this thread, we can't check the metal.
All we can really do is make comments after looking at the pictures and reading the posts.
That is why I suggested a comparative ping tone test - easy to do, and costs nothing.
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Examine the Milling, as you will see it like that on many Counterfeit coins of such ilk
nss-52: if you cannot remember the placement of the date, looking for the Spike or checking the milling is a very quick way to determine genuineness
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comparative ping tone test
I wish you would stop recommending this. Encouraging novices to bang two coins together while balancing one on a bare finger is a distinctly bad idea.
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