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John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 01/18/2023 09:53 am I go with the statement that makes sense to me: An error is a one off while a variety is many of the same thing. Where die event falls into which category John1 Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8774 Posts	Posted 01/18/2023 10:01 am Quote: I go with the statement that makes sense to me: An error is a one off while a variety is many of the same thing. Where die event falls into which category Well this is damage to the die and will occur more than once. It will change over time and be less noticeable, because of wear to the die but will be there for the length of the dies use. -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96771 Posts	Posted 01/18/2023 3:15 pm Boy, what a hornets nest I kicked up here. In the event the next die hits a collar and clashes with it - I'll error on the side of caution and just call it a 'small argument'. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 01/18/2023 3:38 pm Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8774 Posts	Posted 01/18/2023 3:44 pm Quote: Boy, what a hornets nest I kicked up here. In the event the next die hits a collar and clashes with it - I'll error on the side of caution and just call it a 'small argument'. Hah! You trouble maker. -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96771 Posts	Posted 01/18/2023 3:57 pm yep! that's me all over.. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
11997755 Pillar of the Community United States 2253 Posts	Posted 01/18/2023 4:55 pm I think An error and a die event are interchangeable. An error is a die event. Something happens to the die after the die was made. The die gets chipped, cracked, or clashed, etc. Variety's are something that is on the die when it is first used. At least that's the way I have always thought of it. Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8774 Posts	Posted 01/18/2023 9:01 pm Quote: I think An error and a die event are interchangeable. An error is a die event. Something happens to the die after the die was made. The die gets chipped, cracked, or clashed, etc. Variety's are something that is on the die when it is first used. At least that's the way I have always thought of it. Sorry for making a mess of your post. I do agree, to some extent and that is my quandary.... I think there is definitely a grey area here though. In my mind, an error, is a mistake and a mistake cannot be made by machinery. Machinery breaks down, gets worn, has a life, as do dies, which is a part of the "machine". That is where you get, what I consider, die events, die cracks, chips, Cuds, deterioration, shattered dies, many things that you would find on Cuds on coins and some of these things are considered errors, by many. I suppose clashes could be lumped into this also, because, from what I have read, this too, is a "mechanical" mishap. Now, in my mind, an error, is a mistake, by definition, something a machine cannot make, short of a human setting the machine up for the mistake or "error". That's all I have in me this evening. -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96771 Posts	Posted 01/18/2023 9:09 pm Quote: Machinery breaks down, gets worn, has a life, as do dies, which is a part of the "machine". That is where you get, what I consider, die events, die cracks, chips, Cuds, deterioration, shattered dies, many things So the Hammer die mechanically struck the reeded collar - That is why I call it a die event and not an error. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8774 Posts	Posted 01/18/2023 9:31 pm Quote: So the Hammer die mechanically struck the reeded collar - That is why I call it a die event and not an error. I guess my question, is the misaligned die, a mechanical or human "error"? -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 01/19/2023 1:10 pm Quote: I think An error and a die event are interchangeable. An error is a die event By definition ERROR is a result of the outside intervention (here the human) as not been part of the machinery. DIE EVENT it is a result of the normal process without any exterior intervention. MAKE: The Miss align Die it is Human error. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96771 Posts	Posted 01/19/2023 2:07 pm Quote: I guess my question, is the misaligned die, a mechanical or human "error"? Is it possible that maybe the dies were initially set up correctly, but with all the striking, the alignment fell out of place? (vibrations and all) Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
11997755 Pillar of the Community United States 2253 Posts	Posted 01/19/2023 2:19 pm Quote: Is it possible that maybe the dies were initially set up correctly Apparently not, if they moved out of position. An error creates a die event and a die event creates an error on the planchet. Kind of wish Mike would reply to this thread to see what his take is on the subject. Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 01/19/2023 2:30 pm Quote: Is it possible that maybe the dies were initially set up correctly, but with all the striking, the alignment fell out of place? IMHO NO. The Die alignment by tolerances could be +/- 2 Deg. Over will be miss alignment but not collectable if not 5 Deg and plus. If the Die start to be loose during the strike will fall in the category of the Strike Doubling, Machine Doubling and Mechanical Doubling. 3 terms which mean almost same for collecting and I do not know a consensus for this. Is not collectable so nobody today will start a new debate for. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96771 Posts	Posted 01/19/2023 3:07 pm Quote: Kind of wish Mike would reply to this thread to see what his take is on the subject. So why don't we ask him? I think I'll send an email to him and see if he wishes to comment on this conversation. EDIT: Ok, I hope Mike will have an input on this subject. Time for some popcorn while we wait. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 01/19/2023 3:13 pm Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 01/19/2023 4:10 pm Good point on this. I think him already if I recall well has at one point an exchange with Ken? Stanton? and others. Report this Post to the Staff
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