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My Gut Says Something Is Off - 1897 Indian RB Cam NGC

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Have significant interest in this coin but something seems off with the NGC holder - listing pics vs. NGC Verify. Seller has been solid so far but this would be a fairly large spend so second guessing myself.

What gets me the most is NGC image shows some print ink missing on the bottom of the B in RB (Obverse) - that is not present in listing image. Maybe I'm being over analytical but with the overwhelming fraud at our front door - one can never be too careful.

Any thoughts?

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 Posted 02/13/2023  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks legit to me. https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2740265-005/67/

I think the sellers photo is a bit too bright to show the printing as clearly as NGC's does.
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that would be a nice coin to own
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Agreed to some extent. But look at the NGC pic of slab on obverse, the B is missing some ink on the bottom. That is not present in the listing photos.
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Photos look OK. The hologram images fade out at certain angles so two different photos can look a little different. The coin looks beautiful. If you have confidence in the seller and can get a return privilege it should be safe to buy.
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Top Pop! You're right to be cautious. But it appears to be the same coin - judging (as best I can) by the "smudges" on the left obverse field and reverse between shield and ONE. Does the seller have a return policy? Are you able to examine it in hand?
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Since the question of fake holder has been implied by inuendo,
I am thinking the possibility of an over graded genuine coin in a fake holder.
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Yes as to return policy however a few states away so viewing not practical.

I'll keep ya posted.
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What you see as print ink missing could be a speck of something white on the holder (or in the holder) that has moved. It appears to be the same coin to me also.

Red Brown Cameo is a new one on me. Do other grading companies use that designation?

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I think they're the same as well.
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Very nice coin !
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Looks legit and the same to me.
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I think there is a small speck of dust on the letter in the ngc picture
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Analysis of the holder and the bumps/nubs around the edges, it is the same holder, unaltered, in both pictures. Happy Shopping!
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If they are not the same coin, and you can prove it, I'll pay you $5.
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They look the same to me, one was shot on a white background and one was shot on a black back ground, different sensors, lighting, etc. can make the subtle difference you are seeing, I think it's fine.
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