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Edited by Jazzcoins
03/14/2009 5:00 pm
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Jazz, I hope this isn't something I come to regret. If it's help and knowledge your after, it's here for the asking. Your coin in not a struck thru. The obverse has taken three separate heavy hits. The reverse has the same corresponding raise areas. This would not happen had something fallen on the planchet prior to striking. The obverse would receive the damage and the reverse being against the die would be normal.  |
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Well ok then it;s not post mint damage because there will be no indications of gas bubbles in the craters so what do you think it is then? I spoke to a expert and he said it;s possible that they are strike thurs it can happen on both sides of the coin but it is extremely rare.
Thanks for your opinion
JAZEC
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03/16/2009 7:01 pm
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with possible strike thrus Key word is "possible" I really don't understand how you are asking for advice and knowledge but when some is given you blatantly disregard it. For anyone to give a clear explanation to your coin you will need to supply some higher quality pictures Not an expert here, but looks like it's been hit several times too |
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And the hits just keep coming! For someone who professes to know so much about what's going on you sure are wrong a lot!
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The indentations appear to be directly opposite each other from obverse to reverse. Have you taken a set of calipers and determined if this is so? If it is, it seems to indicate to me that the coin had been in a clamp of some sort. Can't explain the gas bubbles but I do not see how you could have foreign material on both dies in the exact same place and in the exact same shape. Just don't see how it could happen.
Jim
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Your comments coppercoins are useless to me, and for your information I will not state the name you said these could be possible strike thrus on both sides of the coin it can happen. I wanted to see other opinions on the coin because I know what they are it;s been said to me by an expert they are strike thrus because of the gas bubbles with in the craters this will not happen if it was done outside the mint this happen at the mint
JAZEC
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03/17/2009 10:00 am
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I am seeing nothing but a damaged coin. Plating corrosion in the form of gas bubbles has nothing to do with it being a struck-through or not, that occurs when dirty blanks have been plated and is completely separate from the striking process.
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Key word is "possible" Yep--posts like this are best started in question mode, versus a quick leap to certainty. Otherwise, one ends up defending suppositions on the basis of feelings/opinions which cannot be proven/disproven from the basis of fact. If I may suggest a little more investigative rigor, here's a useful method to discuss coins or any other subject: 1. Good data, ie provide the best possible photos that clearly depict what you'd like to discuss. Photos need to provide enough visual evidence to confirm (or disprove) the original question for everyone involved. We cannot talk about things with certainty that we cannot clearly see. 2. Start with a question and all possible options such as: "What are the physical properties of these marks, and are they explained best by a mint process, by post-mint damage, or by tampering, etc.? Such open-ended questions are necessary to cover all the possible bases without initial bias. 3. Given the data and possible options, if causes are put forward that are more factually grounded and provide a better explanation for what we see, then nobody should be surprised if that's the general consensus. The details of the coin should convince us-- nothing else. I would say this much is obvious--Critical Thinking 101.  |
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The coin is without a doubt damaged and is not struck through anything. It no doubt happened after it left the mint. I can see no way depressions could happen in 3 places on each side of the coin and have the 3 on the obverse line up with the 3 on the reverse.  Now if they were raised I could understand it as it could happen if something hard got between the dies and dented both dies. |
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Why do they have to be raised it could have been a foreign object in between both dies and left those impressions.
JAZEC
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03/18/2009 7:22 pm
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Tough Crowd! I would remind all, this is suppose to be a family-oriented"friendly" learning environment! PS:Thank-you!  Edited by Morgans Dad
03/18/2009 10:23 pm
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I don't even want to calculate the odds of something being on the obverse and the reverse in the exact same spot to cause a strike-through such as that. If it is indeed a strike-though, please send it in to be graded, and post back! We'd all love to hear! Edited for spelling! Edited by xshift
03/18/2009 9:55 pm
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