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I would like to hear some thoughts on where this cent should grade. No luster left to talk about. What you see on the reverse shield is part of the variety, not damage. Thanks!


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Very nice photos and eye appeal.
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I'll say EF-45 sharpness, but surely this color can't be accurate, beause if so it's been cleaned and poorly re-toned.
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Is this one considered 1884 ODD-001 'Star reverse'?
She looks like she has a little dampness still from a conservation? but overall I like the rich color.
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I'm with coinfrog. XF details (cleaned)
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Is this one considered 1884 ODD-001 'Star reverse'?


Yes it is, reverse S-1 Star on shield, with a S-6 obverse MPD.

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EF-45 details, cleaned/retoned.
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It is Snow-1 or Snow-6, it cannot be both - nor the obverse of one Snow variety and the reverse of another. If it were you would be lucky enough to have found a newly discovered variety. This is the classic Snow-1.
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I must add I agree, it cannot be both, only 1 Snow variety #
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I was just pointing out it was the Star reverse paired with the obverse MPD S-6. There are 3 different die marriages that you can collect.

https://www.indianvarieties.com/cen...884-mpd-001/


"Variety Summary"

"This die is paired with the Star reverse and a non-variety reverse. The Star reverse variety is also paired with a non-variety die. Finding all three die marriages is an extra challenge and a very accomplishing 'mini-set' as no other multi-marriages are known in the entire series. Also listed as 1884 MPD-002 and FND-002 by Flynn (1997).

The confusion of the double listing may stem from the fact that this MPD was first paired with the 1884 ODD-001 'Star reverse', and subsequently paired with a non-variety reverse. The strength of the misplaced digits on this variety will depend on whether you obtain an early or late die state. In later die states, the field under the denticles is more shallow - possibly from Die Deterioration or from polishing the die when the reverse dies were being switched out of the press."
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And the "star reverse" paired with the Snow-6 obverse is the Snow-1.

Snow varieties are die marriages. Again, not interchangeable and if one thinks they are, then they are either wrong and have misattributed the coin or have found a new marriage.
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And the "star reverse" paired with the Snow-6 obverse is the Snow-1.


Yes, they also consider the star reverse paired with a non-variety obverse a Snow-1. The star shield reverse with the MPD obverse is a much touger find than the Snow-1 without the MPD obverse.

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I think it qualifies for AU detail and has decent eye appeal. However, I agree the surfaces do not look completely original.
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This resembles a mountain Mike's indian head special, aka highly tampered with.
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Yes, they also consider the star reverse paired with a non-variety obverse a Snow-1. The star shield reverse with the MPD obverse is a much touger find than the Snow-1 without the MPD obverse.


I don't know who "they" are but "they" then don't understand Snow varieties and should perhaps actually buy the book.

The "star shield reverse with the MPD" IS the Snow-1.

There is no such thing as a "Snow-1 without the MPD obverse", that is the Snow-6.

Snow does not acknowledge there to be a third variety with only the star reverse and appears to discredit Flynn's MPD-002 as a separate variety, it being the same obverse as the Snow-1 (obverse die 4 as MPD-001).
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It looks re-colored from a past cleaning IMHO.
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