1890 RPD And Possible Doubling On Shield

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Author	Replies: 17 / Views: 1,086	Page: of 2
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 5:08 pm Relative newbie posting again. Just purchased this coin. Yes, I know it's been cleaned (hate that) but the repunched date is pretty odd to me - can't find this variety anywhere. Also the doubling above the shield looks like it has some depth - not flat shelf Machine Doubling. The wreaths display Machine Doubling, I believe. These are the best pictures I have now. Curious as to your thoughts. Report this Post to the Staff

Dearborn Moderator United States 94728 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 7:54 pm Going to need a better close up of the date region. I see something going on with the 8 in the date, but what? Can you take the coin out of the 2x2 and photograph it again? The shield just looks wrong for some reason. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 8:09 pm I just bought this coin and do not yet have it in hand. Once I do I'll try to post better pictures showing more detail. I just went through the 30 varieties listed here: http://www.indiancentvarieties.com/...rieties.html and it's not in that group. Nothing showing the two apparent die chips(?) around the date. All four digits repunched. Frankly I bought the coin because I was so curious to examine it. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94728 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 8:17 pm Well, please come back to this topic when you have the coin in hand and post new images. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94728 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 9:04 pm Well I read something today (a few minutes ago) about 'Longacre's Doubling' Which what you might have on your coin. https://www.error-ref.com/longacre-s-doubling/ Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/15/2023 07:26 am Slightly better detail on the RPD. What is going on with the "8" ? More images in about a week. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94728 Posts	Posted 05/15/2023 07:52 am Yeah, I asked about that 8 - It can't be a re-punch - I can't think why it would be anything other than an 8 in that position. maybe a circulation hit a long time ago? Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/18/2023 3:13 pm Well, gents, looks like I'm again the victim of inaccurate pictures. The coin arrived today. No sign of any RPD that I can discern. The reverse still interests me, however. Appears to show what I guess is Machine Doubling on both sides of the wreaths, but the doubling above the shield has depth to it - not all the same color like I'd think Machine Doubling would have. Die appears to be worn as it appears that "ONE" has been reworked a bit to the north. Really wish this weren't cleaned, but what can you do. Didn't take it out of the 2x2 since I may send it back. I'm into it for $52, but can return without issue. Very disappointed about the date, but what do you guys think about the reverse? Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94728 Posts	Posted 05/18/2023 9:32 pm Quote: Well I read something today (a few minutes ago) about 'Longacre's Doubling' Which what you might have on your coin. https://www.error-ref.com/longacre-s-doubling/ I posted this above, I'm not sure you saw it as you never commented on it, but here it is again. Longacre's doubling is what you see on the shield. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 05:07 am Yes, thanks, I did read about that. I've not seen another IHC with this much doubling above the shield, though. I'm guessing Machine Doubling on the wreaths, but when I've seen that it's only on one side of the device, not both. Wouldn't make any difference to me if the coin was not cleaned, but for slightly over $50 I'm afraid I'll have to send it back. Disappointment. Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 08:43 am The more I read about Longacre doubling, the more I'm not at all sure that's what the shield doubling is. Longacre doubling is usually (but not always) on legends and not design elements. Read this for more info: http://numissociety.com/content.php...A-discussion Note the Longacre doubling on the CN IHC pictured and compare it to the shield doubling on the 1890 IHC. Longacre doubling usually surrounds the letters, as on the 1860. On the 1890, it's only above the shield and isn't as sharply defined. Comments and input welcome. Trying to decide whether to send this coin back. Edited by Blastenpene4 05/19/2023 08:45 am Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 09:01 am This from Strike Doubling Flyer by J. T. Stanton. Note that Longacre doubling surrounds the letters. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94728 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 09:39 am Thanks Blast, I didn't see that article. It sheds more light on this.. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 11:43 am I agree that it's not Longacre doubling. I'm thinking Die Deterioration Doubling. Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 5:02 pm Torn about keeping the coin. If it weren't cleaned it'd be a no brainer. The reverse interests me with the deep strike/ odd Machine Doubling on the wreaths. Also something going on at the bottom of the shield. It's like there's material pushed up from the field under it. Never seen that before. Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/19/2023 5:08 pm Kind of wondering if it's Longacre doubling on the wreaths instead of Machine Doubling. From what I've been reading, I would expect Machine Doubling to go to one side or the other on the wreaths, not both. Not trying to belabor this subject (I know, already too late for that!) but I just can't decide whether to keep it or not. Report this Post to the Staff
	Replies: 17 / Views: 1,086	Page: of 2

Last 15 Replies

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

All Forums Category: US Coins and Currency Forums Forum: US Classic and Colonial Variety and Error Coins

The First Dollar, your premier source for bullion and rare coins. See our bullion list on the site and the coin inventory on ebay.

Silver Gold Bull US is the United States leading bullion dealer. We deliver gold coins, gold bars, silver coins, silver bars and precious metals to your door. Order today!

View Last 100 New Topics

Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us | Advertise Here | Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum

It took 0.44 seconds to rattle this change.