How Extensively Are Indian Cent Die Breaks Tracked?

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Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 5:28 pm I was curious as to how much various die breaks are tracked for Indian cents. I've been through some of the links and see some die breaks noted, but not others. This 1863 Indian prompts my question. Pretty big die break on the reverse actually misplaces the denticles in that area. Machine Doubling is interesting as well. Opinions? I'm looking to broaden my understanding. Thanks in advance. Report this Post to the Staff

kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 6:50 pm There are 104 varieties including die cracks for 1863 here http://www.indiancentvarieties.com/...rieties.html Maybe one of those? Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 7:31 pm Holy cow! Thanks for the response. I suppose they had more pressing concerns in 1863 than die cracks at the mint... Edited by Blastenpene4 05/14/2023 7:32 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94728 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 7:55 pm That is quite a lot of cracks to search through.. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 8:39 pm Well, Dearborn, I searched through each and every crack and none were a match. Variety 65 was the closest, but my coin has more of a partial Cud than their example, which looks more like a smaller die crack in the same area. Also my example shows no reverse rotation and theirs has reverse rotated 11 degrees. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94728 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 9:06 pm Partial Cud? I would classify that as a Pre Cud, as it appears that the portion of the die was getting ready to break away from the rest of the die. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Collects82 Pillar of the Community United States 1316 Posts	Posted 05/14/2023 9:42 pm I picked this one up tonight (Top photo). I am into the varieties of 1882, I'm weird. And below is one that I've had a little while. I think this first one is an early state of what later grew into the bottom. As for "pre-cud", this break is further along into breaking free, but hasn't yet. I'm aware of three for 1882. -Cuds On Coins lists two reverse Cuds for the year. This growing one and a very minor one with a small break about 1-2:00. I've never seen the small one in person, likely no one is really looking for it either. -Rick also lists a obverse Cud, which I also have an example of. Not sure many people are chasing these like VAMs. Not too many Indian cent varieties bring big premiums. At its core, 1882 is not a particularly collected year. The Snow-6 '1's in the neck is most famous and can bring a couple-few hundred into MS. There seems to be some growing interest in the S-2 Broken 2; and ebay sellers seem determined to turn this into a $2-300 variety which it shouldn't be, too many pop up to be deemed rare. The sleepy eyes RPD is a more interesting variety than the Broken 2 IMO. There are some other minir MPD in the denticles to be found in XF+ grades. Theses Cuds are pretty scarce, only seen three in the past several years. Edited by Collects82 05/14/2023 10:09 pm Report this Post to the Staff
kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 05/15/2023 12:39 am I couldn't find it either. Perhaps yours is unlisted. I thought #18, #29 and #30 (but with Cud) might be close, but I don't think so. Perhaps that's actual doubling on the left leaves and shield? You also have a crack at about 8:00 from the leaf to the rim. Post a pic of the obverse too, and if you want to try more images, try to get them from straight overhead and not rotated. Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/15/2023 07:32 am I''l see if I can get better pix when I get home from work today. I appreciate the comments. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94728 Posts	Posted 05/15/2023 07:48 am Quote: Perhaps that's actual doubling on the left leaves and shield? Well I read something last night about 'Longacre's Doubling' Which what you might have on your coin. https://www.error-ref.com/longacre-s-doubling/ Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
robbudo Pillar of the Community United States 2757 Posts	Posted 05/15/2023 5:22 pm So many die cracks on the copper nickel composition - probably why they switched to Bronze planchets in 64, and got more use out of the dies with less wear and tear. They are neat for sure, but small ones are common and don't really get a premium. Until you get to ones on tough dates or bigger ones or 'full' Cuds. I personally like them. Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/15/2023 5:26 pm Ok, got some new pictures. Hope these are a bit better, but the reflectivity of the CN coin seems to be a problem for me. Weak strike doesn't help much. Edited by Blastenpene4 05/15/2023 5:36 pm Report this Post to the Staff
robbudo Pillar of the Community United States 2757 Posts	Posted 05/15/2023 5:28 pm Here's one of my favorites: 1872. Report this Post to the Staff
52Raymo Pillar of the Community United States 8515 Posts	Posted 05/15/2023 10:57 pm One of my 1863's. Oregon coin geek.....* GO BEAVS ! ! ! * Report this Post to the Staff
Blastenpene4 Pillar of the Community United States 959 Posts	Posted 05/16/2023 07:35 am Any ideas on a grade for my 1863? How does the weak strike come into play? Does the die break have any bearing? Thanks for helping a newbie get educated! Report this Post to the Staff
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