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1843 CCC8R Sheffield Plate Over A Probable Copper-Based Alloy Host Medal Turn Die Axis

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1843 CCC8R Probable Sheffield Plate over a probable Copper-Based Alloy Host. 26.0 grams. No diameter given. Typical regal type edge for the type. Medal Turn (NN) Die Axis. Any other criteria? Silver peeling seen throughout. XRF analysis coming soon from coin's owner. John Lorenzo, Numismatist.

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It will be interesting to see the posted test results.
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Maybe a contemporary counterfeit
It will be interesting to see the posted test results.

The plating seems to be quite thin, and over the past 100+ years, there may have been some transmigration of silver and copper across the plating interface, resulting in less silver purity in the darker surface areas.
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I think at least one of my favorite counterfeit coins has photos of the silver peeling or flaking off.
Typically the gold or silver is just worn away.
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Jeff Rock: A known counterfeit - the assayer is for 1842, not 1843, and the reverse die was used on others and Bob Gurney has nicknamed it the "Beautiful Eagle" die.
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John, Bob will jump in... This is a known type, with a similar die/punch connected piece dated 1841. The 1843 is found paired with two diff. reverses, as Bob noted in the thread linked below:

http://goccf.com/t/281401

I believe most of these connected types (and they are somewhat "common") present as something that looks "copper-nickely".
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Cap & Rays were of great interest at CICF so I bought maybe eight or so from a dealer from Arizona along with the large book he had in the case.
After much help from experts also present in this thread, I was able to make a nice bundle of photos and notes for placement in the binder.
The coins were of such great interest, I wanted to buy the remainder of what the dealer had that I didn't buy the first time.
I sent a message after the show to the dealer in Arizona, but didn't get a reply.
There's something special about these coins that make them wonderful to collect and study.
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