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I looked through Heritage archives for "multi struck", this Sacagawea dollar looked closest to the OP. https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/200...bnail-071515I wonder if it's the lack of smearing at the edges that tipped them off? It makes me scratch my head because however it was made, they had to have obverse and reverse dies, right? Hopefully we'll find out more. |
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That is terrible news.  |
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The counterfeit was good enough that even the estimable Mr. Diamond leaned towards authenticity. So if it is indeed a fake—and it's entirely possible that PCGS was wrong—it fooled at least one expert who really knows his stuff. http://goccf.com/t/448071&whichpage=7#3869447Would you be willing to send it to one of the experts to be analyzed, studied, and maybe written about? You could still salvage a good article from this misfortune, and provide a way to warn others who might get snookered. That would at least be a subtle form of revenge against the counterfeiters and fraudsters. Also, if the coin is 100% confirmed as fraudulent, I find myself curious how you will handle the gentleman who said he found that coin in a mint bag. Social media post? Stern lecture? Police report? Bag of flaming dog excrement on the front steps? |
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I had posted in a Facebook group with many experts including Joe Cronin and Jon Sullivan and they both immediately said it was a counterfeit, likely by Silverstone. I was pulling for it to be real but wasn't expecting it at all. Quote:
and it's entirely possible that PCGS was wrong PCGS was well aware of these fakes, they had to refund a lot of money when Jon Sullivan uncovered the guy. |
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Ok, so then their diagnosis of counterfeit is basically beyond a reasonable doubt. The questions about the seller remain.
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Didn't Mike Diamond, verify it as authentic?
I'll have to look back and see what he said....
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From Mike Diamond: http://goccf.com/t/448071&whichpage=7#3869447Quote:As I indicated on another website, the off-center strikes appear to show the same pattern of Die Deterioration as the initial (presumably genuine) strike. This strongly supports a verdict of authenticity. If a counterfeit die had been used to generate the off-center strikes, you'd see a distinctly different microscopic surface texture. |
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Brandmeister the last part of your comment I thought of. In more of a Mark Rober way though. Lol... I contacted the seller and crickets. So presumably he knew all along. Whether he bought it and found out it was a fake then sold it or he knew and has more. He is in Pennsylvania where that one ebay is listed so maybe a little info passed on to his local law enforcement agency might be needed. Then there is the slim possibility that PCGS is wrong. But since *** Private information removed by Staff. Please do not post personal name/address/email/phone number etc. *** isn't responding to my messages PCGS is most likely correct. Hey it could have been worse. Life goes on and lesson learned. BTW anyone collect Silverstone pieces lol... |
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Dearborn, that only seems to confirm that strike 1 was made with the same dies as 2-4. Not necessarily that the dies and minting process were legit. Although since that quarter is current issue and circulating, making a fake quarter might actually constitute counterfeiting of U.S. currency and not just fraud.
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Looking into the laws on that. Assuming the original strike was from the same die as 2-4. I'm not a vengeful person by any means. However, acts like this make coin collecting not as enjoyable as it should be. Criminals also need to be held accountable. But that seems like a rarity lately.
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If he conned you, then he probably conned other people. Even if the authorities don't take him to court, making them aware of the criminal activity can limit his ability to con future victims.
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Capt. Did you send him a check? Or?
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