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I think I never heard that phrase "Buy the Book, Then the Coin" until I got involved on CCF 5 or so years ago.

And, being a cheapskate (let's not mince words here), I kinda scoffed, figuring I could make do with Google, acsearch, CoinArchives, and more recently, digitized out-of print reference works in French, Italian and Dutch for the various places that interest me.

But, as I got deeper into the world of medieval European coinage, I realized those approaches have limitations.

And, now being partnered to a professional in the world of research libraries, she just looks at me with this expression that says "when will your curiosity surpass your frugality?" (yeah, that was kinda generous, since words like stubbornness and pigheadedness may have actually crossed her lips too).

So, I am pleased to post this photo of books that arrived in the mail today:



While Italy is not a primary collecting theme for me, one of my collecting themes (images of saints on coins) takes me often to medieval Italy, both north and south, so I figured just maybe I could get through the 1500 pages here between now and when I die ....

Except if the Low Countries Volume (7) ever gets published, because I will read that one first. Given that the lead author died 17 years ago, I am not holding my breath ...
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Yep, it's prudent to buy the book first. But I think most of us, like you, were probably guilty of picking up and handling at least a few coins prior to burying our noses in coin books.
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Great additions to your library @tdz, but what about *writing* the book?
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I don't have nearly as many reference books as I would like to have. And I want to make clear that I have shelves full of books, books in crates, books (to my shame) stacked on the floor… I don't dare count them, but I darkly suspect they number over a thousand. (Of course that's on all subjects : no more than about 50 are numismatic reference works, although some of those are spectacular.)

The Bavarian State Numismatic Collection has a library that occupies a corner of the Residenz, the old Royal Palace. Just going in there made me so happy.
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I have MEC 1 and 8 on the the top right shelf.


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Recently in another forum, I suggested to a new collector that in the beginning, he should spend at least as much on books as on coins. He replied, "What can I get from books that I can't get from the internet?"

I'm glad to learn that at least one soul has been saved!
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Victor,
That is a great mini library you got there and what looks like a real nice photo set up. What does the set up consist of?
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Impressive library indeed!
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Victor's library is about twice the size as mine.
Both are presented in exactly the same way.
I also have a complete set of R.I.C., but they are stored horizontally to protect the spines

I also have some access to a numismatic library of perhaps some 5,000 books, that is the working reference library of Australia's leading specialist numismatic public auctioneer, but
I have to make a special trip into Sydney to see it.
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Recently in another forum, I suggested to a new collector that in the beginning, he should spend at least as much on books as on coins. He replied, "What can I get from books that I can't get from the internet?"
I'm glad to learn that at least one soul has been saved!


My wife played a major role in my conversion. She bought me a copy of Les Petits Deniers de Flandre des XIIeme et XIIIeme Siecle by Ghyssens last year, when I started moaning about how I really should get some books on medieval Low Countries. Each time since, when I say "I really should consider getting "fill in the name" she has a screen pulled up on her computer within 5 minutes, asking me for a credit card number. So I got Van Gelder & Hoc (which covers 1433 - 1713 for the Burgundian and Spanish periods) and Delmonte's work on all the gold coins (not that I will be buying many, but I need for work over on the Numista catalog).

Fortunately for Low Countries, there are some 19th century works which are still often cited, and contain lots of historical context, and are now available in digitized form online: de Witte on Brabant (covering 1000 - 1795), de Pas on medieval Flanders, Van der Chijs on all the principalitiies of the north: Gelderland, Holland, Utrecht etc. though I know only a handful of words in DUtch, so it's a stuggle.

To that other collector's comment, yes, it's still possible to "reverse engineer" a lot of information starting from auction listings findable on the internet clearinghouses (acsearch, sixbid, and in my case the WCN archive), but it's a lot easier with the books.


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I also have some access to a numismatic library of perhaps some 5,000 books, that is the working reference library of Australia's leading specialist numismatic public auctioneer, but
I have to make a special trip into Sydney to see it.


I have access through a university library system, which I still have not fully exploited, but will be doing more.

And I was recently lucky to have been able to take advantage of an auction house library, but needed to travel all the way to Brussels (I won't be doing that vey often).
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and what looks like a real nice photo set up. What does the set up consist of?


It's a DSLR Canon EOS Rebel with a 100mm macro lens




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I also have a complete set of R.I.C.


I don't keep my set with my other books...they are on my shelf over my computer, so I can get them easily.



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Looks very familiar to me.
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Along with coins and a medal, I brought this guide back from Europe.
The book was hard to find as it hadn't been for sale through regular channels. So, I decided to contact the local museum (which I knew had at least one copy). Unfortunately, they couldn't help me directly but suggested I contact the author.
I did just that and it turns out he had a few copies left, one of which he was willing to mail to me.

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I'm also eagerly awaiting MEC 7b.

I love all of Grierson's work, but Peter Spufford's Monetary Problems (which is his PhD thesis with a few edits) detailing coinage of the Low Countries remains unsurpassed; even Gelder-Hoc use it for their work. He was the ideal choice for this volume.

I emailed Alan Stahl around 2015 (after Peter's wife passed), and he was hopeful Peter would be freed up to continue editing MEC 7 soon; unfortunately, he too died a couple years later. (I don't see Alan's name on the MEC site anymore...)

The third contributor to MEC 7 is Serge Boffa, whose name I've never encountered, despite specializing in late 15th century Burgundy. It probably wouldn't hurt to reach out to him to inquire as to the status... this will probably be the most important book published in my lifetime (if it makes it to print!).
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I don't know if 'buy the book before the coin' is good advice for a new collector anymore. Unless you have a clear idea of what you want to collect, you will quickly go bankrupt. The internet is a great way of getting a lot of information. Perhaps all of it, especially for fairly common coins. It's only when you start to get deeper and specialise that the internet becomes useless and you really need the book.

So, I think you did it in the right order - wait for curiosity to surpass frugality, when you know you're now serious about those coins and you need better support for more serious spending.
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