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What has been done to this coin. Not mine, but I'm trying to improve my knowledge. Looks like it was a nice coin with good details (weak strike at bottom of obverse / top of reverse), but what happened to all the denticles? Her ear looks rather odd as well, as does the "T" on reverse. Small letters variety, which carries a premium.   Edited by Blastenpene4
06/18/2023 09:05 am
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The obverse die crack and weak or non-existent denticles are characteristic of Newcomb-5, probably caused by some Die Deterioration in that variety. |
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Is this a coin worth considering? Color on periphery of reverse seems odd, but I'd like to have a small letters example. What about the ear and the "T" on reverse? Couple of small rims dings on obverse. Thanks for opinions and advice.
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06/18/2023 09:43 am
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without better photos
imo whomever photographed this is attempting to hide the surfaces
die and strike issues are prevalent in these coppers. I dont think the surfaces are original on this one. several indicators pointing to that are color blotchiness. there is a greenish tint especially noticeable on the reverse that looks like verdigris was removed from several areas.
VF/XF details (cleaned)
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Thanks, panzaldi. I appreciate your insights. That greenish cast on the reverse had me wondering - just looked wrong. Greysheet lists an 1837 small letter XF45, which looks about right for this coin, at $234, so I had to ask.
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06/18/2023 4:18 pm
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Definitely not an original coin. Appears to be possibly re-colored to hide surface imperfections as stated.
VF30ish details
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I'm surprised you say VF30ish with ear separate from hair and curl separate from neck, vermontensium. Strong Liberty. Thought that would push it more towards XF40. Fields pretty clean as well. Color is strange w/o a doubt.
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06/18/2023 6:35 pm
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I'd say VF-35 details. The surfaces are definitely not original, looks like a past cleaning and/or an attempt at restoration. I think there's a bit too much wear for this to be XF.
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Too much wear on her hair to be EF/XF. Definitely looks like it was oddly cleaned at some point. VF-35 details (cleaned).
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anyone who described this coin as VF i'd like to hear your assessment as to where you see circulation wear vs strike issues. I'm just trying to figure out how much you're knocking this coin for strike
try drawing a line right through the middle of this coin on both sides and only look a the upper half of the obv and the lower half of the reverse. particularly look a the ear, star centers and LIBERTY on the obv and the reverse leaves around the bow as well as the bow itself.
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VF30 sharpness approximately
Tooled and smoothed, then recolored
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well well well...good call paralyse on the retooling. when you posted that I took another closer look at the coin. its not easy to discern but one area that stands out like a sore thumb is along the entire bottom of the bust running into the hair curl  |
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So educate me - what is the purpose of retooling a coin like this? Not terribly high end price. Learning is why I started this thread. Thanks
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Same reason people always mess with coins, trying to scam other collectors and/or turn a profit.
The entire field left of the nose/forehead looks like it's been altered, maybe to remove scratches (of which a few can still be seen esp. between S3-S4), then possibly smoothed. The coin would have then been cleaned to hide evidence. It's just absolutely unnatural, especially the bridge of the nose.
I could be completely wrong here, but I call it like I see it.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
06/19/2023 7:14 pm
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No, now that you point it out, it's actually pretty obvious. You guys are helping my eye, but we're all limited by what the seller's pictures show. I looked at a coin just recently and the seller had purposely shot the light reflection from the 2x2 to try to cover some bad scratches on the obverse. Awful lot of questionable sellers out there, however sometimes the bad pictures are just from inexperienced sellers. Guess that's part of what makes it all interesting.
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grading from photos is always a crap shoot. angle of photo, lighting, focus and easy tools/apps to alter pretty much everything on a coin to make it look good or hide pretty much anything.
the more you grade by photos the more you're able to discern whats if anything went on
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