Seated Liberty Dollar Struck On A Shield Nickel Planchet

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TotallyConfused New Member United Kingdom 11 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 5:13 pm This coin weighs 4.98g, measures 20.5mm, is not magnetic, and rings out like a British 10p coin when spun (75% copper / 25% nickel), purchased from a mixed batch of coins. Note - during some research I have found a counterfeit coin on AliExpress and purchased it, to see if it is the same, it is not - it weighs in at 7g, is a couple of mm bigger, and you can see the line around the edge where it has been cast. I can upload photos of the known counterfeit if this is any help. Edited by TotallyConfused 07/16/2023 5:16 pm Report this Post to the Staff

nfine Pillar of the Community United States 3467 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 5:42 pm I can't see how this could possibly be real. A nickel size planchet struck by dollar size dies would never keep it's shape and thickness during striking, let alone it's rims. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 5:42 pm Well, that takes the cake. Think I'll wait for the experts! to the CCF! Report this Post to the Staff
TotallyConfused New Member United Kingdom 11 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 5:56 pm It could definitely be counterfeit or novelty, I do not know enough about the process to even consider the feasibility of it being a genuine error, but since I bought it I have to do some research for my own curiosity. I really appreciate any opinion and feedback on what it could be, but had to start with a bit of a guess. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34393 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 6:06 pm @tot, that is an interesting piece. Can you please perform a specific gravity test? That will help to confirm the alloy. Thx. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94636 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 6:17 pm Hmm,, umm how? can you post up an edge image? Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
TotallyConfused New Member United Kingdom 11 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 6:26 pm @Spence Thanks for the reply. Specific Gravity Test is 10.31 which would mean 90% silver according to the YouTube Video I just watched.. so that would make me think it has been cut down, but it is only just over 1mm thick. Report this Post to the Staff
TotallyConfused New Member United Kingdom 11 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 6:35 pm @Dearborn Report this Post to the Staff
HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 24878 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 7:05 pm Quote: it is only just over 1mm thick Did you measure that with a digital caliper? A Seated Liberty dollar is 2.8 mm thick, which is about what yours appears (compare the thickness to the width of the eagle's neck). Here is a coin that is 1.30 mm thick for comparison. What you have is a Seated Liberty dollar that has been cut down to nickel size. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94636 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 7:12 pm Thanks Confused. I'm thinking that it was cut down myself. I'm not seeing any sign of the proto rim of a nickel if it went through the upsetting mill. and by your edge image, it looks a bit thicker than 1mm - a single ridge of your fingerprint is a just a tad thinner than a single mm. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
TotallyConfused New Member United Kingdom 11 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 7:31 pm Thanks. No I have measured it with a clunky tape measure, will definitely order some digital calipers though. Really appreciate the feedback everyone! Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94636 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 7:58 pm ah ok, about 1.5mm maybe. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
TotallyConfused New Member United Kingdom 11 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 8:48 pm Yes, I'd say so. I have some digital callipers on order, will report back. Thanks again for your time, and feedback - really appreciate it. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94636 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 10:26 pm ok, I'll keep an eye out for more info on this one Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
cointagous Pillar of the Community United States 1143 Posts	Posted 07/16/2023 10:48 pm First thought was that it was punched out of the original coin. Now seeing the edge I would guess it was cut down as well. I am curious as to what you find out so I'm posting to keep up with it. Report this Post to the Staff
Zurie Pillar of the Community United States 5661 Posts	Posted 07/17/2023 06:26 am Seems much too thin to have been cut out of a SL dollar. And the specific gravity would exclude this being struck on a nickel planchet. So my guess is that it's a fake novelty error. If this were a genuine wrong planchet error, it's hard to imagine how it could have circulated long enough to develop wear. Report this Post to the Staff
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