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Denarius On Ebay For 60 Dollars?

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 Posted 09/03/2023  10:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BobTBay to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I joined this forum because I had to ask an expert, I've seen denarius on sale on ebay for sixty dollars or so.

Are they just low quality and common or are they guaranteed fake?

The price seems... too low for a piece of history.

Here is the link I was looking at.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/225056449059

Thanks for your time.
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Bob, the one in the slab is probably the nicest one they have. The one pictured in hand is a step down. Notice that they say you will receive a silver denarius - from the pile in the background. I would avoid this auction as you do not get to see the actual coin they will send you.
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 Posted 09/03/2023  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BobTBay to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your reply.

I wouldn't be buying this as a collector piece and looking to get the best or brightest, If I were to buy something like this it would be purely to own a piece of history. I'm just curious as to whether sixty dollars for a silver denarius is reasonable for a genuine coin.
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 Posted 09/03/2023  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with the above comments. The coins appear to be genuine and in decent condition, but you'd be much better off being able to select an individual example that appeals to you.

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 Posted 09/03/2023  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BobTBay to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well thanks guys, I am still sort of flabbergasted that I can buy a silver Roman coin for the same price as dinner for two at McDonalds.
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 Posted 09/04/2023  12:28 am  Show Profile   Check collector.detector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add collector.detector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try this website. It's only professional and established ancient coin dealers and the coins you see are the ones you will receive.
I made a search for denarii under $65 and over $25.
https://www.vcoins.com/en/Search.as...signed=False

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Many ancient coins are affordable and attainable in high grades - despite the fact that they are fascinating and historically important.
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I'm pretty sure that listing is against ebay policy - you're supposed to list one coin at a time, and have photos of the specific coin you're listing. The photos in that listing are pictures of random Roman coins. Listings like this are effectively a lottery. $60 is a pretty steep price for a lottery ticket, even if you're guaranteed to win "something". Assuming your coin is genuine, of course; I wouldn't necessarily trust a random ebay seller to be able to authenticate an ancient coin, assuming they're actually honest and not deliberately trying to sell fakes. We always recommend staying away from ebay for ancient coins at the beginning - there's just too many sharks out there, not to mention the clueless people selling their cruise ship souvenirs who honestly believe that street hawkers in the eastern Mediterranean will risk selling ancient coins cheaply to tourists.

As for the more general question - can you get a Roman denarius for just US$60 - a few years ago my answer would have been "certainly". COVID saw a price spike in ancient coins, so I think a coin would have to be very rough, to the point of being unidentifiable, before prices reached that low. But it's still technically possible.

DIrtyOldCoins is a legit seller of "uncleaned" coins; they're selling uncleaned "Roman silver coins" for $30 each. Now, that would likely include base-silver later coins and not just early Empire denarii, and they're "sold out" right now, but it gives some indication of the absolute baseline price level. One of these coins, cleaned up a bit, is probably what you'd receive from the eBayer. On the DOC site, their base price for a cleaned, identifiable Roman denarius is $75 (but, also, "sold out").

Meanwhile, over on FORVM (another reputable seller of quality 100% guaranteed genuine ancients), there's over 30 denarii for sale right now; the cheapest is $12 but it's a late, debased-silver coin barely worth the "denarius" label; the next cheapest denarius is priced at $72. The cheapest from an emperor you might have actually heard of is a denarius of Commodus (the bad guy in the "Gladiator" movie) at $135. For a Hadrian like the one pictured by the ebay seller, the cheapest is $153. Their most expensive denarius they have in stock is $243, though of course they can be much more expensive. A denarius of Tiberius - the so-called "tribute penny" as it's the coin in use when Jesus was walking the earth - will cost you around $500 to $1000. And an EID MAR denarius commemorating the assassination of Julius Caesar will cost hundreds of thousands.
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 Posted 09/04/2023  04:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$60 is high for most of them. $60 to pick? Maybe. And I wouldn't pick many at that price. Are they genuine? Probably... but cast fake denarii are a problem, even inexpensive common types. Your best bet is to buy from a reputable dealer who offers a lifetime guarantee of authenticity.
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Gordian used to be the cheapest denarius you could get that was in decent shape. It was well under $60 although I don't know what the current price is. Recent offerings from some ancient coins dealers in Montreal include many decent condition denarii (or antoniniani) from emperors in the 200s AD (such as gallienus), although in this era they would be debased silver. Still a very presentable ancient piece.

The reason they seem so cheap is that they were made in the millions and they are still digging them out of the ground.

You want a coin with at least a clear portrait and mostly readable legends.
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Just my own opinion. $60 is not too steep if you can pick your own.
If your after a piece of history by way of a Roman coin, there are plenty of sellers on ebay that have coins reasonably priced. If you see something you like the look of but are not sure about, post the link on here and I am sure you will soon learn if the item is a 'fake' or the genuine article.
As has been said already, go for the sellers that offer a lifetime guarantee and accept returns.
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 Posted 09/04/2023  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BobTBay to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I am glad I consulted the people who know more than me before I plunked down my dollars. I have decided to wait and get something nicer than the random and beaten up stuff I've seen on ebay. I think I am going to save up a little and get a legible example from the reign of Marcus Aurelius, because I'm a fan of, and believer in, stoic philosophy.

I know I'm probably going to have to spend more, but after all is said and done, I'm only buying one.
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Good choice, Bob. My philosophy is always buy the nicest one you can afford. Never be in a hurry to buy an inferior coin if waiting and spending a bit more will yield a coin that you are proud of.
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I think I am going to save up a little and get a legible example from the reign of Marcus Aurelius, because I'm a fan of, and believer in, stoic philosophy.

A wise choice. Marcus Aurelius is from the end of the "Golden Age" of the empire, when it was for the most part peaceful and prosperous, but still enough military action to ensure at least some soldiers never came back to dig up their hoard of coins - so coins from his reign are neither expensive nor hard to obtain.

One thing to be aware of: because his reign was revered by following generations of Romans, many subsequent emperors added "M AVREL" to their titles on their coins. So make sure your "Marcus Aurelius" coin is properly identified as actually from Marcus Aurelius (though the "philosopher's beard" on the portrait should be a giveaway).
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