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Just wanted to create a thread to share my successes and failures in cleaning ancient coins since I have been doing a lot of it and expect to continue with it.
A few word on the ethics of cleaning Ancients:
As most of you reading this know, cleaning modern coins is an absolute taboo. It ruins the patina, lowers the value, risks scratching the coin, and generally is just something you don't want to mess with unless you absolutely have to.
In Ancients, it's a bit different. Ancient coins come out of the ground. So every ancient coin has already been cleaned at least once in its life in order to bring it to market, unless you buy a lot of uncleamed coins found by metal detectorists or archeologists in Europe/Asia or happen to be wealthy enough to have pedigreed coins that were never buried and passed through hands for sometimes hundreds or over a thousand years.
So most folks feel that cleaning Ancients as an acceptable practice as long as it is done well and efforts are made.to.preserve the original patina as much as possible. Unfortunately not all Ancients can be saved with a light patina preserving cleaning. Therefore, there is a e flow chart of increasingly harsh methods that are used depending on the level of corrosion, bronze disease, horn silver, dirt., from minor mechanical cleaning all the way up to MS70 and electrolysis which literally eat some of the metal and the patina completely. Sometimes coins are bad enough that this is a necessity though.
My values on cleaning Ancients:
1.) Use the least invasive methods possible, and try to preserve as much of the patina and/or toning when possible.
2.) Never clean a fully attributable ancient with clear features just because I don't like the toning or patina. Toning still matters to ancient folks
3.) I'm an amateur, so I will only stick to cleaning coins I estimate at around $100 or less. That may change as my expertise grows.
Edited by Hordfest 09/21/2023 09:52 am
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Antoninus Pius Denarius I cleaned this coin in four stages. I was a bit more invasive with chemicals than normal but I think this coin really needed it and I tried to stick to the mildest chemical solutions out there, with regards to stripping the coin. 1.) 1 tsp of Sodium Thiosulfate mixed with 100 ml of warm water. Soaked coin in this solution for 30 minutes to treat for horn silver. 2.) Immersed in acetone for about an hour (if I do this again I will do acetone before treating for horn silver 3.) 1 tsp of citric acid and 100 ml of water solution. Submerged in 15 minute intervals and brushed with a soft bristle toothbrush between soaks and patted dry until no more dirt came on the paper towel. 4) Very careful mechanical cleaning with bamboo skewers and diamond dust metal pins. 
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Pillar of the Community
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I like the result of your work. Continue 
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Bedrock of the Community
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The results speak for themselves! Excellent work, Hordfest!
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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@hord, I'm interested to see how you progress with this thread. I have a couple suggestions: first take all pictures with the same background so that we can compare surface color. Second, take pictures in between each step rather than only at the beginning and end.
On this first coin, the surfaces in the after shot look a bit soft or pitted compared with the before shot, but I'm not sure where along the way this happened. Thx for helping us all learn as you explore this.
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Just a note to all members. Do Not Try This On Modern Coins.John1 
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Pillar of the Community
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Very nice results Hordfest 
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@Spence. I definitely have a hard time finding a consistently good spot to take photos. What you are seeing is probably graininess from me over editing the photo becuase of bad light. There are also very heavy metal flow lines as well which aren't really coming through in the photo, probably contributing to that grainy pitted look. Third, on the reverse, there is a fair amount of near microscopic cracking with dirt in the cracks giving it a slightly more pitted or dirty look. I couldn't figure out a way to get at that dirt without hurting the coin.
@John1 Thanks for the disclaimer. I probably should add a few words about the ethics of cleaning Ancients in my first post versus modern coins and why I feel that this was okay.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looking forward to more! Nice job IMO. 
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Pillar of the Community
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WOW, you did a great job.
I would call that a successful restoration. Let's see more.
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Very interesting topic and a nice start!  I look forward to following this thread as it progresses. 
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Ok yes, there are definitely flow lines (as there so often are) on the obv. However, I do think that you got a bit more of a pitted surface, especially on the rev. It is all good though as a learning exercise.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
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A good result in my eyes.  Not having had any luck in cleaning coins I look forward to seeing more in this thread.
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Phrygia, Synnada AE. Turreted bust of Tyche facing right. For this one I soaked it in distilled water for almost two weeks before touching it. I then did light detail cleaning with diamond dust pins around the features. HEED THIS WARNING: Usually I give bronze coins a slight once over or two with a bronze brush. I did that here but due to the encrustations basically covering bare bronze I ended up revealing more bronze than I needed to. If I could go back I would have been much more careful with the brush and in general I will hesitate brushing encrusted coins. 
Edited by Hordfest 10/08/2023 11:52 am
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A lesson learned. Overall an improvement. 
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Abbasid dirham, 93% silver. 2 minutes in a sodium thiosulfate solution. Horn silver completely gone. Probably should have soaked for only a minute. Some of the toning was stripped with the horn silver but that's the cost of business. I think it is an improvement for sure without the black. 
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