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What Causes Huge Variation In Variety Coin Auction Results?

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In doing research on Great Collections, I am trying to understand auction prices. It seems like for a given variety coin with sufficient auctions, there can be enormous variation in price results. I have learned that some folks go wild for toning, and also that CAM/DCAM will produce large variations in price. Some coins with identical grade also have or lack curb appeal. That is generally evident if they have TrueView pages.

However, even factoring for obvious differences, sometimes the hammer falls for $1000 and the next coin with identical grade, TPG, CPG # sells for $100. Time doesn't seem to play a factor—the price differences are not a linear rise or fall, nor can they be attributed to COVID or some other clear rationale.

What produces these huge swings in variety coin auction prices?

It particularly doesn't make sense to me because if a $1000 coin had four bidders and lots of bids, then it would stand to reason that three bidders might be interested in the next coin.
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The visual appearance will affect the value also. For example, in looking for a high grade 1932 D quarter. Some in grade MS64 look terrible and still for a lower price than one that is blast white is.
I'm looking for a blast white one and am ignoring the toned ones. I'll pay the extra price when I find the 'one'.
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Thin market ... limited demand. There may be small populations, but few people collect varieties. The first, very nice example might saturate the market.
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I have found that the best way to derive best price research from auction results is to
get as many sold prices on similar coins that you are interested in, and make a considered judgement on the maximum price you consider reasonable, on the target coin you are considering to buy.

After considering the above
my normal practice at auction is to submit a single written price proxy bid, and not even bother to attend the auction,
but
it is essential to attend the pre auction view day and closely examine in hand the coin you are to bid on.

With expensive coins, I usually submit a low bid and do not expect to be successful.
Puts a smile on your face when you are successful !

Bonus: With all of the above effort, one can gain a lot of numismatic knowledge along the way, over a lifetime.
Nevertheless, my learning curve is still steep, because I am a generalist, not a specialist, - that is why pre auction research is so essential for me.
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I think another reason must be that varieties don't normally have known mintage figures and there may be lots of coins of the same date and type lying around that haven't been checked. So a scarce variety may turn out to be common.
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DCAM/CAM or toning really aren't varieties. They are effects of a strike or storage.

For some Proof or Proof like coins the DCAM and CAM or usually hard to get (some dates of Franklin 50 cents as an example), coupled with the extra registry points they get may make people pay more than a fair value for them, but like many conditional varieties when more become available (especially on more recent coins ) the coin price tanks. Look at the 1986 ASE when PCGS graded the first 70, the prices were $20,000+, you can now get an NGC or PCGS in 70 for $600, so you think the guy that paid 20k will ever recoup his money? Highly doubtful. There are still thousands of monster boxes not graded the number of 70 will go up and the value will go down.

The early adopters tend to pay the highest, many of the secondary will wait it out or get lower grade. When another comes up for auction (in your example) you may no longer have 3 bidder you might only have 1, who puts in a low bid and wins.


You also have to take the sócio economic factor, there are few people with the means to buy a $1000, $5000, $10000 or $25000+ coin, when it comes to auction that bidder maybe bidding on several auction and then when he gets his coin, there is no longer any competition.


If you really want to collect but don't want to pay crazy prices don't get auction drunk, back out when the coin is over your max and don't worry about it for many coins there are thousands available.
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I was at an auction about 2 months ago had my eye on some early mint sets 1947 to 1962 I went through and put a value on all of these sets . They sold for 3 times the value I had on them . I thought I was missing something so I goggled them and there they all were on line right in the price range I had figure. So the answer to your question is your guess is as good as mine. I just scratched my head and moved on.
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People get hyped up in auctions. They tend to spend more than they should so that they don't lose the item.
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It's hard for me to trust ebay Auctions anymore, but I do monitor Heritage Auctions often and as far
as auctions go in my experience in auctions of all kinds, there can be people that are just there to boost
the auction to try and make the sell price go higher. But to me it's just being in the right place at the right time.
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People get hyped up in auctions. They tend to spend more than they should so that they don't lose the item.
I think this explains a lot of it. Get two bidders with money and ego going at it and the result can be wildly off from other identical coins. Having to "win" overcomes common sense.
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