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1916 Vs 1917 , Standing Liberty, Type 1

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Hello guys and girls

I'm finding it hard to identify this coin for accurate date.

I see a very faint 6 looking at it with a magnifying glass and spotlight but it's been pointed out to me that it's a 1917 quarter.


Any help would be appreciated




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Your coin is very worn but you may be able to identify by the area above the head. The design of the dots and bars are different on both dates. On the 1916 there is no small bar above the head.
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Easiest way is to check the bottom of the drapery to the left of the foot. This is flatter and less open on the 1916, whereas here it is rounded and more open, This is definitely a 1917.



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I see, I can't make out most of the details
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I was not aware of the drapery diagnostic until Frog mentioned it. Looking at PCGS pictures I can see the subtle differences. Frog is a smart man and he is correct that this is a 1917 based upon the drapery diagnostic. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
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Just barely-retained knowledge from a misspent youth.
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That's why I would ask questions on this platform because you guys are seasoned coin people even though it was misguided, lol

So I took a pic of my coin and overlayed the "6" from an official 1916 quarter.
Below I show the official pic. Then my coin with a overlay. My "6" that I can sort of make out is highlighted in yellow and what it's supposed to look like is highlighted in red just to the left in the same image. I enhanced my coins pic quite a bit to show what I see.

Are my eyes playing tricks on me , or one too many beers lol

Please, your input is great appreciated.




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Sorry, your coin is a 1917, there is absolutely no doubt.

Do you realize that the phantom "6" you show is in the place of a "1" on the actual date?
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Forget about the 6 in the date as it is just rub of the coin. The 1916 and 1917 T1 have different designs on the obverse. Look at the small hair curl above the big curl. Yours has the 1917 position. Look at the drape above IN GOD Yours goes below the ledge. The 1916 is on top of the ledge.

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Well you guys are the masters sensei of the coin

and me Just a mere grasdhopper.

I do agree that the date most likely a case of Pareidolia.

Thanx for some key differences to look out for I'll try to check even though ita very hard with my coin, being so warn out.

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I'm not sold on it being a 17 just based on playing with filters on the image. If diagnostics say otherwise so be it. I can see them being definitive in this condition.

I think it is a 6 on the end, questionable on what leads it tho there are some signs that it could be a 1 and others that it could be a 2.





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I'm not sold on it being a 17 just based on playing with filters on the image. If diagnostics say otherwise so be it. I can see them being definitive in this condition.

I think it is a 6 on the end, questionable on what leads it tho there are some signs that it could be a 1 and others that it could be a 2.


The coin has to be a 1916 or 1917 as there are no stars on the reverse. Do not get caught up on the last digit of the date. Do your analysis on the hair, ribbon and drapery difference between a 1916 and 1917. Once you do the analysis, I believe you will come to the conclusion the coin is a 1917. On the lower drapery the drapery curls back up on the 17 and on the 16 it stops.
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Here is the OP. Which one does it match the 1916 or 1917?


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The pics above leave no doubt and lead us right back to what CoinFrog first mentioned. Thanks Slider for posting the comparison!
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I agree, this is a 1917 dated coin.
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Yup I see it now. Was stuck focusing on the right side of the drapery when in fact, the left side makes it certain.
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