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ebay item number: 186259847571...Boy, did I want to 'pull the trigger' on this (low price), but, upon examining the pics, decided that it was probably a fake.... The seller has plenty of + feedback, but has some definite "import" items in his "sold" listings ... ...I haven't contacted the seller, as I'm not 100% certain, but this "dollar" looks fake to me, as some details, such as the distance between the top of the date & motto: "In God We Trust" seems way off ... the coin's surfaces just don't seem correct ... but I'm far from an authority ... ...I included a pic from PCGS website of an MS68 example for comparison ...If any knowledgeable folks have an opinion on this, thanks for sharing ...    
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@mrw, you are right to look at this seller's inventory carefully. The subject of Danny Pfeiffer Rare Coins (DPRC) came up once previously on CCF, with at least some folks being somewhat negative: http://goccf.com/t/395067"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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I will also say this is counterfeit. Raised dot beside the mint mark, something going on between the 9 and 0 in 900 fine.
Don't like the LIBERTY or IN GOD WE TRUST font differences.
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Edited by mrwiskers
01/23/2024 1:30 pm
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To start with you are not taking an obverse that came off the same dies. Note the position of the 1 and G on the OP coin and Genuine example. The letter position on IN GOD WE TRUST also changed with some die changes. The following genuine date position and IN GOD WE TRUST is much closer to the OP Coin. Known Genuine Example on Left  Based on what I am seeing I am leaning that the OP coin is genuine. |
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@slider23 ... thanks for you observations ... I'm not knowledgeable enough to make a determination ... do you have an opinion on the fairly consistent shadowing (?from cleaning?) around the perimeter of stars, as well as the fairly consistent shadowing around Liberty ? ... Is this normal residue from a harsh cleaning? ... thanks for any info ...  |
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How did you "pull the trigger" on this item if it has no bids and 7 days left?
I do not see anything on this example that confirms that it is counterfeit. I would purchase the item and test the coin at home because the seller offers free returns.
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@jacrispies ..."How did you "pull the trigger" on this item if it has no bids and 7 days left?..." I said that I was tempted to, not that I had ... hope that answers your question ... ...I also stated that I was suspect, but did not know for certain ... ...As I am learning here, I ask for good advise ... thank you for your opinion, but please read before you accuse... |
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The skin and color on the coin does not appear natural, so my thought was dipped or cleaned. The denticles look correct for a genuine example, the stars look correct and the eagle's neck feathers look correct. The wear is consistent on both sides for a VF example. Here is the S mint mark on the OP and date that I posted. It does not appear to be a match die pair. Note the top serif of the N in photo. Some genuine examples have the same serif on the N as the OP. Known Genuine on Right.  |
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..thank you for your analysis ... if genuine, not a bad price ... I couldn't tell if the coin had been cleaned or given the appearance (if fake) of having been cleaned ... my paranoia on these matters has increased since lately seeing so many convincing fakes ... thanks for your help ...
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01/23/2024 4:18 pm
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Has that classic Chinese fake look. If it is too good to be true, it is. Avoid this one!
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@pusman08 ... looks that way to me, also, that's why I posted, I'm gonna pass on this one, boy, the floor's really split on this ...
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The coin is genuine for die pair as follows: 17 - I60/I71: High Date / Missing Serif L Obv - Date is set high. Rev - Large S, Missing lower left serif of second L/DOLLAR.    |
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@slider23 ... great, detailed analysis, & you make the strongest case for genuine. I could find no faults in the basic features (denticles, feathers, etc.) , other than the placement of the date. different die pairs would certainly explain that. I didn't like the overall surface appearance. It looks very close to some Asian counterfeits currently available, but, I also thought maybe a result of dipping &/or cleaning. Still gonna pass on this one,, holding out for one in better condition. ...Thanks for your astute observations & analysis...  Edited by mrwiskers
01/24/2024 07:10 am
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