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1936 Buffalo - To Crack The Slab Or Not - FS-101?

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Picked this up at auction last week. Had my sights on it as it as all the appearances of being FS-101 albeit unattributed. NGC slabbed at MS66.

Don't have it in hand yet but appears EDS and there are no listed markers for EDS. So first off, I know it is a tough call based on these photos but would appreciate some thoughts on LIBERTY and FS-101.

And here comes the crack it out question. Obverse at K5 is a little bead of Verdigris. I have to imagine that came about in holder as I can't see how NGC would straight grade this coin if that was present. It is moot point if I can verify FS-101 as I'll send it in for reholdering and conservation. But if 101 is a no, would you folks think cracking it out and addressing the Verdigris a wise move?

Not sure it would be worth the cost to have it graded again if not FS-101.

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I see what looks like a lot of "orange peel",would that be on a EDS coin? If it is 101, wouldn't it make sense to have the TPG "conserve it"?
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Yes, as stated if it is 101 then I would just send it in to have conserved and attributed. But good call on the metal flow, there are markers for LDS and from I can, they are there on this specimen - clashing under chin.

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I paid 80 bucks, if it is 101 at a 66, recent closed sales on slabs are 2K. But now I run the risk of the coin coming back details albeit attributed.

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Looks good for the DDO to me, probably LDS. It's likely NCS would be able to treat that spot successfully. But if it turns out not to be FS-101, I'm not sure it would be worth the cost of conservation and reholdering.
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LDS. Looks even later die state than the example on variety vista. More die erosion below the chin, back of neck, hair, and in the back of the Buffalo below EPU.

I'm hesitant to call it FS-101. Looks more like lighting playing tricks. Not the same spread on the base of the 3 that you'd typically see with the DDO. Better images will confirm

I'm with Zurie, would not be cost effective to conserve and reholder.
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I'll update with images once in hand. Hope you're wrong Ty but I always trust your judgement.

If it is not FS-101 I'm going to have to crack it out and address the Verdigris.

If it is FS-101 I'll send it in to NGC for reholder, attribution and NCS cleanup.
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Did some light sleuthing and found the GC images from this one. Based on this pic, not FS-101 IMO. Just Die Deterioration causing some mushiness.
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Dang, I don't recall that photo being shown on the side bar when I first located. Certainly a more definitive shot - thanks for tracking it down.

Nice coin nonetheless but the corrosion presents a dilemma. I know I can eliminate but cracking the slab - which needs to happen - would kill any value without the DDO. I have yet to use my monthly free return, might just have to punt on this one. Thanks for the help on this one Ty.
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A punt sounds good if you are able to. If it weren't for the verdigris spot it wouldn't be as big a deal. But given the spot and LDS, it'd be two strikes and a return in my book. But that's just me, not trying to rain on the parade!
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It might be the lighting, but I still think it looks promising, especially the L in LIBERTY. Let us know when it arrives. Good luck!
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I'll be sure to post updated images once in hand. What is interesting is that the LDS markers appear to be there.


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It might be. Will wait for updates pictures, once you get it in hand.
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Who is our Buffalo expert?
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FortCollins used to be the expert with barfalos but we haven't heard from him in a long time.
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Definitely not die #1 or die #2.
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After some delivery snafus I finally have this coin in hand and had an opportunity to analyze. Unless someone sees it differently, I'm now convinced that lighting and a post-LDS mush strike was creating an illusion. This is not a FS-101. I'll be initiating a return based on the corrosion spot.

The die clashing is there under the chin ? - albeit extremely weak when compared to the LDS markers.

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