| Author |
 Replies: 14 / Views: 1,150 |
|
|
Valued Member
 United States
139 Posts |
Just bought this off ebay, misfiled as a die clash. Seemed pretty enough to share. Based on Error-Ref it seemed to be a shattered die with multiple bi-level die cracks. Shattered Die Description and Link from Error-Ref.com "In a bi-level die crack, there is vertical displacement at the site of the crack. This means the die face has sunk in on one side of the crack." https://www.error-ref.com/4880-2/I thought it was a lamination error (or more likely just a bunch of glue) when I saw it online but kept looking. The surface breaks on lamination errors tend to be more shelf-like flaked patterns with some loss of detail under the broken section. Shattered dies with bi-level die cracks, according to the reference, can have the curved breaks with nearly perfect retention of detail on both sides of the breaks like this one. Any ideas on which grading companies grade these? I've seen examples from PCGS, NGC, and ANACS online, but wasn't sure if PCGS and NGC only do specific specimens.      Edited by CentR
03/19/2024 02:32 am
|
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
3171 Posts |
I don't see any die cracks, just stains.
|
|
Valued Member
 United States
139 Posts |
I can see why you say that. The toned edges are hard to discern in the lower res images. The different layers of metal are clear as day under the scope. I can try to post some better images so the metal edges of the cracks might be easier to see.
Edited by CentR
03/19/2024 03:09 am
|
|
Valued Member
United States
139 Posts |
Edited by CentR
03/19/2024 03:30 am
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
24980 Posts |
Have you soaked it in acetone yet, CentR? I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt until I looked at that seller's other auctions, like this "1938 Mercury dime Planchet Error Coin"  Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
4233 Posts |
Glue or an old coat of lacquer?
|
|
Valued Member
United States
139 Posts |
Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a warm acetone bath. Is there a way to slice sections off the surface of a coin and leave all the detail? For example the forehead and the B, T, and Y of LIBERTY are in recessed sections and there's no detail loss. In case it's helpful, here's an example from error-ref.com of a bi-level break on a shattered die with that same rounded shape and retention of detail on the lower section. I can't figure out how to not loose some detail if sections are removed by PMD? You're right about the seller. This was labeled die clash/crack. I messaged the seller to explain what a die clash was and that this coin wasn't worth what they were asking. The seller told me they got these from somewhere and had no sense of what they are.  Edited by CentR
03/19/2024 04:12 am
|
|
Valued Member
United States
139 Posts |
I thought it might be glue too from the ebay images. It's not, it's metal edges. I'm doing a bad job imaging it. It's so pretty in person. I wish I could convey it. Maybe tomorrow I can try taking pictures with sunlight coming in from the side through a window, or try side lighting it. If you have any imaging suggestions, I'd love to hear it. |
|
Moderator
United States
56855 Posts |
As of now,I think it is a case of staining. John1  |
|
Valued Member
United States
139 Posts |
Edited by CentR
03/19/2024 5:38 pm
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
10485 Posts |
Doesn't really look like die cracks. You aren't friends with this guy by chance  ..........  Edited by Marv65
03/19/2024 2:46 pm
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Not a shattered die, more likely a foreign substance.
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
24980 Posts |
Have you soaked the coin in acetone yet?
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
8515 Posts |
Acetone might make all your cracks disappear.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
73747 Posts |
Looks like stains. Give it a soak in 100% pure acetone and see if it goes away.
Errers and Varietys.
|
| |
Replies: 14 / Views: 1,150 |
|
Posted 03/19/2024 02:10 am
