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1923 S LWC Extreme Die Wear

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I picked this up recently because this reverse die was showing some standout wear, especially compared to the obverse.


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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 05/18/2024  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a combo of circulation wear and Die Deterioration.
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I'm sure circulation wear is playing a part here, but the uneven wear on the obverse makes me think this die was extremely over worn.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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This was definitely struck from a worn reverse die.
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Any chance it is a Greaser?
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There were a quite a few mismatched die pairs in the 20s.
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Any chance it is a Greaser?

Unlikely, since the obverse is showing no signs of Struck Through Grease.


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There were a quite a few mismatched die pairs in the 20s.

I have seen other examples from this era of cents but none this severe. Do you have a links or examples you can point me to?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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The difference really is severe. I would tend to agree that this is mostly from Die Deterioration.

I have collected some severe obverse Die Deterioration examples from 1924-1926. My examples tend to be to the base of the bust. One example was so bad someone questioned if it might have been a clash. They thought the letters of EPU were showing up under the bust.
(Of course, maybe it was just my imaging skills causing the confusion. LOL)

Any chance you have the weight?
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There are extreme examples out there where the obverse or reverse die could be a rather sharp XF or higher and the other side could be like CoinHI's example of a weak strike or die wear.
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I've seen very similar instances over many decades of wheat sorting. I believe its a mix of die and circulation wear. And yes, there are examples of razor-sharp, fresh die strikes as well.
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No links, just my experience with them. One of the best examples is the 22 no D.
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Any chance you have the weight?


Good question, it weighs 3.05g, so not a major circulation wear issue I'd say.

"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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There is no other logical explanation other than a coin struck from a worn reverse die.
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Thanks for the weight.

I agree that with not much copper missing most of the original planchet is there which tends to point towards Die Deterioration over circulation as the cause of the weakness.
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