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1883-S Morgan - Seeking Advice / Comments

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This Morgan is a dirt coin - recent find. It will details without question (fire damage - ED plus pretty major hit on the right wing).

That said, the 83-S values climb rapidly once we hit higher AU/MS. I personally see no wear but self-admittedly have a lack of experience with Morgans. Would appreciate some advice on grade/submission.


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You don't see any wear?
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This looks high VF low XF.

Maybe a $50 coin?
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You don't see any wear?


Yup, that is exactly what I said - here is the text

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I personally see no wear but self-admittedly have a lack of experience with Morgans.
I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins.
Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorations
Dirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccaw
Dirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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Agree with jacrispies on grade. Have you tried soaking in acetone? Not sure it will do anything, but worth a shot.
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I'd say VF-35.
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Acetone does nothing for silver fire scale, black on high points is there to stay.
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Yes, acetone is a no go. You would have to dip it.

The amount needed would probably strip any luster right along with the black.
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That's assuming the fire scale is localized purely to the surface. I've recently gone through this with a scorched steel grill surface, and that chemical reaction can extend much deeper than you can remove with any compounds.
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I'll say VF details.
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EF-40 coin. Don't clean it, only a bath in Acetone, then leave it alone.
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With the given photos, the obverse appears XF/AU but the reverse is VF/XF based on wings and breast.
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Don't clean it, only a bath in Acetone, then leave it alone.


Whoops - that is the "cleaned/restored" version IGE, this is what I started with


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Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorations
Dirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccaw
Dirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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Excellent restoration! What was your process?
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That's a superb transformation!
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FTW, extended alkali wash. Qtip roll with diluted EZ on cap ball testing possibility fire scale was only surface. Nope, it has impacted the deeper copper atoms. This coin is what it is now. If it was mid AU a submission would have been considered.
I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins.
Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorations
Dirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccaw
Dirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting
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