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An 1833 Cent With A Story To Tell & A Rhyme As Well .

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As many CCF members know from my posts, I've collected a wide varietyof coins and exonumia; this, for almost 70 years now. I started collecting counterstamped coins back in the late 1970's. Gaining momentum from books by Rulau and Brunk, it took me about ten years to actively seek out the c/s's at shows. When I purchased my first computer in the early 1990's, I started building a database on my holdings, using it to then track and study this genre. As time passed, I gained increasing respect for this numismatic step-child.

The 1833 cent shown below has the typical appearance of many well-worn c/s survivors we see today. It's stamped multiple times and as such, this coin was likely a test piece for the merchant's stamp which was intended for use on his products. When first spotted it at auction, I noted that the letters, the font, was tiny. This suggested to me a fine craftsman. More importantly, I took note of the stamp, itself: J.G. JOSEPH / CINt. The town, Cincinnati, being present virtually assured me that a positive attribution could be made.
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This c/s was unknown to Rulau and Brunk, major authors on this genre. Now, twenty years since their works were last published, I've yet to spot another such c/s. Here are the notes from my database ....

JOSEPH G. JOSEPH BEGAN BUSINESS IN 1834 IN CINCINNATI;THIS, PER BECKMAN'S STUDY OF CINTI SILVERSMITHS. JOSEPH RAN ADS AS AN OPTICIAN, JEWELER, SILVERSMITH, WATCH & CLOCK MAKER - IN THAT ORDER. THIS TINY C/S MAY HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO HIS SPECTACLES OR WATCHES..HE RELOCATED TO TORONTO BETWEEN 1842-44, SO THIS IS A HARD TIMES ISSUE. HIS SHOP WAS AT 169 MAIN STREET AS PER THE 1836 DIRECTORY. HE USED A HALLMARK ON HIS SILVER, AND THIS APPEARS TO BE A RETAIL C/S.

Here's an advertisement from an early city directory ....
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Finally, here's a little poem I penned on this piece ...

Ode to a Counterstamp

Not much to look at, not much to see,
Yet this old coin called out to me.
Who was this Joseph, and what did he do
To this poor coin, most collectors now rue?

Damaged, so be it, 'tis treasure to me;
As in it still lives telling history.
Solving its secrets is my game;
And finding out, from whence it came.

A silversmith in Cinti' was his trade;
When these callous stampings Joseph made.
It's anyone's guess, just what his intent,
As many times over, he struck this poor cent.

Well, Joseph's long gone, to his reward;
While in my cabinet, this coin's safely stored.
To history it speaks, tells a story for sure,
Its life goes on while Joe is ... no more.
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Great story and poem!
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Interesting. Thank you.
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Great read, thanks!
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Great read, thank you.
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Nice detective work on the origin of he counter stamp. Fun poem as well.
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Lovely story, poem. Thanks for sharing.
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Admirable perseverance & detective work, ExoGuy ... few bother with the "unknown", not realizing that the journey alone can be a great reward ... kudos on this one
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Love the background on that c/s, and I'm impressed by your poetry!
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 Posted 09/18/2024  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
THANKS, ALL!
Your encouraging replies charge my old battery. God willing, I'll keep 'em a'comin'.


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the journey alone can be a great reward ...

I thoroughly concur, Mr. Whiskers. With over 2,800 c/s's that I'm studying, these journies are constant. On the plus side, I save on gas and don't have to miss the wife's home cooking.

Meanwhile, I'm keeping my eyes open for a pair of Joe's silver spectacles or another of his products.
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Your encouraging replies charge my old battery. God willing, I'll keep 'em a'comin'.
Looking forward to the next once.
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@ExoGuy, here's a little more about Mr. Joseph from his time in Toronto, as well as some hallmarked silver spoons in a font similar to your c/s.

JOSEPH, JUDAH GEORGE (Gershom), businessman and craftsman; b. 1798 in Exeter, England; m. Rebecca -, and they had two daughters and two sons; d. 17 May 1857 in Toronto.
The late 1830s and the 1840s saw the small Jewish population of Toronto augmented by the arrival of Jews from England, Germany, Lower Canada, and the United States. Primarily shopkeepers and skilled artisans — grocers, clotheirs, jewellers, tobacconists — they sought to integrate themselves into the social and economic life of Toronto. Judah George Joseph, one of the most prominent members of this early community, was born of a family described as "highly respectably connected." Much of his early life had been spent in the Channel Islands of Guernsey and Jersey. He immigrated to the United States in 1829 and eventually established himself as a jeweller and optician in Cincinnati. He prospered but "his generous nature led him to become a victim of false friends" and he was swindled in business, losing most of his property. About 1840 Joseph reportedly moved with his family to Hamilton, Upper Canada. Possibly attracted by the mercantile prospects offered by Toronto, he settled there between 1842 and 1844 and opened a business on King Street near the St Lawrence Market, then the city's leading commercial district. In addition to his trade as a jeweller and optician, he produced silverware, timepieces, mathematical and drafting instruments, and scientific equipment. Joseph observed traditional Jewish practice and closed his shop on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. He built a successful business, acquired property, and enjoyed considerable popularity as a result of his "cheerful, open-hearted and familiar" manner.
The glowing obituaries occasioned by Joseph's death described him as "a good citizen and a sincere friend." His funeral, conducted at the Jewish cemetery in orthodox fashion, was attended by a large number of people and probably provided the first opportunity for local residents to observe a Jewish ritual. Following his death, Joseph's business was continued by his son-in-law Henry Joseph Altman of Birmingham, England, and Thomas Hawkins Lee of Toronto.

Source: Dictionary of Canadian Biography Online © 2000 University of Toronto/Université Laval


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@ Zurie .... Good detective work and a most welcomed addition to this thread!

The signature silverware stampings are hallmarks, whereas the counterstamp is commonly referred to as a retail mark. Many silversmiths utilized a variety of stamps. My guess is that the tiny stamp on the coin may best be found on on the arm of a pair of spectacles and/or inside a watch case that Joseph fashioned.

As I've not spotted any of Joseph's products bearing a Toronto stamp, I'm inclined to suspect that, in his later years, he abandoned the tedious work of making products to make more money as a retailer. Such was the course taken by many silversmiths during the 1840-50's. Plated utensils and other products were then more affordable and consequently became more saleable.
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