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A couple of days ago, I posted this close-up of a Holocaust Memorial medallion:

I tried Google Translate on the image; came up empty. This morning, I loaded the image on to Grok.com's chat feature and asked "What is the Hebrew to English translation on the lettering on the tablet? " Below is the result:

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The image depicts a representation of the Ten Commandments, traditionally shown on two stone tablets, with Hebrew lettering. The tablets are a common symbol in Judeo-Christian tradition, representing the laws given to Moses by God on Mount Sinai, as described in the Book of Exodus in the Bible.

The Hebrew text on the tablets typically corresponds to the Ten Commandments, often abbreviated to fit the artistic depiction. Let's break down the likely content based on the standard Hebrew text of the Ten Commandments (from Exodus 20:2-17). Since the image shows two tablets, they are traditionally divided with the first five commandments on one tablet and the last five on the other. However, in artistic representations, the text is often shortened to just the first few words of each commandment.

(Grok provided Hebrew text and English translations for each tablet - which I'm omitting here)

Analysis of the Image:
In the image, the Hebrew text appears to be a stylized or abbreviated version of the commandments. Artistic depictions often use just the first word or two of each commandment due to space constraints. Based on the layout, it looks like the first tablet (left side) might have the first five commandments, and the second tablet (right side) the last five. The text is not entirely clear due to the image quality, but it aligns with the traditional format.

Translation Summary:
If we assume the standard abbreviations, the Hebrew on the tablets likely translates to the opening words of each of the Ten Commandments as listed above. For example:
Left tablet (Commandments 1-5): "I am the Lord," "You shall have no," "You shall not take," "Remember the Sabbath," "Honor your father."
Right tablet (Commandments 6-10): "You shall not murder," "You shall not commit," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear," "You shall not covet."

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The exact Hebrew letters are a bit stylized and not perfectly clear in the image, but this is the most likely interpretation based on traditional depictions of the Ten Commandments. If you need a more precise transcription of the visible Hebrew letters, the image quality makes it challenging, but I can attempt to search for a higher-resolution version or similar artwork to confirm the exact text if needed. Would you like me to search for more information?

I realize there are several threads regarding the utility of using AI to grade coins; not suggesting we're headed that way. As a research tool for the art, images, and history found in the medals, coins, and exonumia we collect, it appears AI could be a time saver. The example above was produced within 10 seconds.
If nothing else, the Grok response told me I was reading too much into the imagery. It was an artistic representation of the Ten Commandments and the tablets were a dead give away . . .I was over-thinking it. . Isn't it Occam's Razor that tells us the simplest explanations are often the correct ones ?
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Very interesting and thank you for sharing!

This is a good topic worth reading and discussing within a larger group, so I moved it out to the main forum.
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Here's an illustration of an AI "chat" used to learn more about quarter dollar designer John Flanagan:

Tell me about sculptor / medallist John Flanagan


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John Flanagan (1865-1952) was an American sculptor and medallist renowned for his contributions to both fine art and numismatics. Born on April 4, 1865, in Newark, New Jersey, Flanagan showed an early aptitude for sculpting and went on to establish a distinguished career that blended traditional sculpture with innovative medallic design.

Flanagan's artistic journey began in earnest when he became an assistant to the celebrated sculptor Augustus Saint-Gaudens from 1885 to 1890. This formative period under Saint-Gaudens, a towering figure in American sculpture, provided Flanagan with rigorous training and exposure to high-profile projects. After leaving Saint-Gaudens' studio, he further honed his skills in Paris, studying with prominent artists such as Henri Chapu and Alexandre Falguière, which enriched his technical and aesthetic sensibilities.

Perhaps Flanagan's most enduring legacy is his design of the United States quarter dollar coin featuring George Washington, introduced in 1932 to commemorate the 200th anniversary of Washington's birth. Flanagan crafted both the obverse and reverse of the coin, with the obverse profile adapted from a bust by French sculptor Jean-Antoine Houdon. His initials, "JF," are subtly inscribed at the base of Washington's neck. This design remained in circulation with minor modifications for decades, cementing his place in American numismatic history. The reverse originally featured an eagle, a symbol Flanagan also rendered with striking detail, showcasing his ability to translate sculptural finesse into the miniature canvas of a coin.

Beyond the Washington quarter, Flanagan was a prolific medallist, often regarded as one of America's foremost in his time. His works include the official medal for the 1915 Panama-Pacific International Exposition and the Verdun Medal, a gift from the United States to France commemorating the World War I battle, inscribed with "They Shall Not Pass." He also contributed to prestigious series like the Circle of Friends of the Medallion (1909) and the Society of Medalists (Issue #6 in 1932), distinguishing himself as one of only two artists, alongside Paul Manship, to design for both. His medallic art often featured intricate monograms—variations of "JF" in a circle—though these are sometimes confused with those of James Earle Fraser due to their similarity.

Flanagan's sculptural oeuvre extended to larger works as well. One notable example is the Rotunda Clock (1896), a masterful piece located in the Library of Congress Thomas Jefferson Building in Washington, D.C. Crafted from marble, semiprecious stones, and copper, it depicts Father Time with an hourglass, flanked by figures of students reading and writing, and a radiant sun on the clock face. Another significant work is his bronze bust of Augustus Saint-Gaudens, begun in 1905 and completed in 1920 for New York University, capturing the vigor of his mentor despite the latter's battle with cancer.

Throughout his career, Flanagan received accolades that underscored his stature in the art world. He was awarded the J. Sanford Saltus Medal for Medallic Art by the American Numismatic Society in 1921 and was named a Chevalier of the Legion of Honor in France in 1927, later rising to Officer in 1934. He was also a member of esteemed organizations like the National Sculpture Society, the National Institute of Arts and Letters, and the American Numismatic Society.

Flanagan died on March 28, 1952, in New York City, leaving behind a body of work that bridges the tactile grandeur of sculpture with the precision of medallic art. While his name may not always command the recognition of some contemporaries outside numismatic circles, his contributions—especially the Washington quarter—continue to circulate as a testament to his skill and vision. Interestingly, he is sometimes confused with John Bernard Flannagan (1895-1942), a later American sculptor known for direct carving in stone, but the two are distinct in style, medium, and historical context. John Flanagan's career reflects a blend of classical training and innovative application, making him a quietly influential figure in American art.


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I'll post an opinion that some here may mock, but just remember those who mocked $100 bitcoin on coin and bullion forums much like this.

Its the most powerful information tool since the advent of the internet. It has its flaws, but they're tightening up in real time.
It will, in a rather short order, make books totally obsolete in about the same fashion that the internet obsoleted newspapers as primary sources of information, even if your grandmother still has a subscription.

I realize this is a bold position, but AI has three basic camps at this point, which is exactly the same as the internet in 1997.

1) Those who fully 'get' what it means
2) Those who don't even begin to 'get' what it means
3) Those who 'get' what it means but are in denial of it, because of the emotional disruption that comes from radical changes to their status quo.

The 'coin identification' aspect is obvious, but this will eventually define grading and all numismatic research. It is capable of some incredible ORIGINAL research as it stands, now.

The year is 2025, this post will live longer than I will.
Put me firmly in the camp who fully recognizes it will fully, utterly transform every single thing, everywhere, about most everything we do.
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I get AI--fully. But that doesn't mean I surrender all critical thinking. No, I'm not in denial. I've worked in IT, software development, and database design for several decades. I understand related strengths and vulnerabilities. I enjoy observation, asking questions, testing ideas, and applying thought. And I do appreciate the value that comes with developing and sustaining foundational personal experience.
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Which is all good, just understand it largely does (most everything thought related) better than we do, now, and it will only get better at (that), likely reaching levels we don't understand, for reasons we can't even understand.

Its a paradigm shift in human existence.
Sounds hyperbolic, its not. It may take longer than expected to get fully integrated into everything, sort of like the internet was about 10 years behind projections, but its going to happen.

Books are near pointless at this stage, which is depressing for those of us who hoped to one day write one.
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Books are near pointless at this stage, which is depressing for those of us who hoped to one day write one.
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