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Vermontensium Late! 2500 Post Contest

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Time to give some coins away
Nothing I have not mentioned before. Let me thank our Forum Mom and Dad as well as all moderators for keeping this Forum safe for all to enjoy Last but not least, the members. It is so great to read all your posts and talk our passion, coins!

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Last year, I was in Arkansas visiting and decided to stop by a friends ranch. Her ranch is 300 acres and was inhabited long ago by Native Americans. While there, I did some artifact hunting and found several points and the item shown below, a beautiful stone bowl which I have since restored as it was cracked in half when I found it (by a plow).
I had an expert in Native American artifacts examine the bowl and he came up with an approximate age and time period. You have to guess the approximate age of this bowl. After 10 days, I'll examine all the answers and the member with the closest guess (+ or -) wins (unless someone nails it, then the contest is instantly over). At that time, I'll reveal the approximate age and time period.

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Hint: The bowl is less than 10,000 B.P. but older than 1000 B.P.(before present) and does not end in 0. The age is an approximation only.

Prizes will be a 1968-D 40% Half AU & a 1942-D Mercury dime VF.

Good luck and have fun! Open to all members with 50 posts or more

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05/25/2009 11:17 pm
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Thank you for the contest.
I would guess this bowl dates back to 2508 BP. or about 500 BC.
Looks kind of small, ( I use a medium mixing bowl to eat my Wheaties ) so was it a medicine mans bowl for grinding? Like a mortar and pestle?

Is that an Arkansas Quarter? Never know what you'll find!

They don't look like your usual arrowheads, they look more like tools of some kind for cutting. Maybe this is a clue. Identify the stones, identify the Native Americans, identify the age.
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My guess is it was possibly used to mix or grind plant matter into die for painting, possibly pottery. No shards found in the area. Looks like the right side (in the photo) has a pouring depression purposely made? No pestle found. I looked all day for one. I does appear to have grinding marks. There are deer in the area. I believe this was a camp site. The maroon colored tool (in situ) is a text book hide scraper. Maybe back then, there were larger animals in the area, possibly bison.
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05/25/2009 11:45 pm
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I have been surfing. I think I am way low in age now, but I will let it stand. I saw a bowl about this size and shape that was for painting.
I think I saw that lower right image from the Dalton Period. LOL
Am I getting warmer? Neat stuff.
The only artifacts I have is a pre columbian jar, but it isn't Native American. It is between 3500 and 5000 years old and decorated with birds. ( and then there is my wife )
Now wait, I take that back. I do have several nice antique Native American baskets but they are not nearly that old. Just period pieces from 70 to a 150 years old.
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( and then there is my wife )
Now wait, I take that back.




Artifacts must be found on private property. There are very strict laws, and jail time, if you violate this. I plan to enjoy these artifacts for now, but plan to donate them to the Arkansas Natural History Museum some day for further expert study and for all to enjoy I believe that's the right thing to do when it comes to ancient artifacts.
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I'll guess 3700 Yrs BP.
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G'day, very challenging ...
I'll go for 8201 B.P.

Nancy: you're a duffer. The specs say "and does not end in 0"

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I'll guess that it dates from approximately 878AD, which is 1131 years BP.

According to http://www.southshore.com/louisianapurchase.htm :

Many different types of Woodland Era (500 B.C.-A.D. 900) sites have been discovered in Arkansas. Among them, small villages of two to four acres appear to have been common. Pottery use became standard during this period and, near its end, the bow and arrow appeared.

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1275 BP is my guess. Thanks for the contest.
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2009 B.P.
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1211 BP
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1,388 (carbon dating always has a +/-)

Edit, BP, not AD
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1255 AD (or CE)
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2665 BP? Thank you for the contest - it's freshly different one!
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527AD or 1,482BP. The Utes in Western US didn't switch from woven baskets to pottery till around 1,000 AD. But the tribes in the east were considered a little more advanced.
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I will go for 3712 years befor present time, wow that was a good find!
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