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1943 D Nickel. Any Thoughts?

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I'm about to give up on trying to figure out why the "Y" in liberty actually appears to have a "V" stamped on top the letter. The star also appears doubled and the D mint mark looks to be MD, but can that happen when hand stamped? Seems to be some re-engraving on hair and bust as shown in photos. Thanks for your help..








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https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin.../images/4020

That strange V cut on the Y appears on many 1943-D nickels. It must be part of the master die or master hub for that year.

The mint mark almost looks like a D/D east, but I guess it could also be Die Deterioration or minor MD.

The retouching on the ribbon and hair appear on all nickels for that year.
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Thanks Brandmeister....I appreciate the link as well.
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Brandmeister nailed it.
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 Posted 05/08/2025  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like mostly MD on this coin, but Brand seems to have id on the V on the Y
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A rather interesting example.
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I agree, interesting example. I trust Brand's assessment.
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Since I scour Jefferson nickels for varieties, I had also noticed that obverse enhancement on 1943 nickels. The ribbon and ponytail ends are a common place to fade on 1938-1942 proof dies, and there are several re-engraved proof dies to retouch that fading. When I first noticed it, I thought it might be a neat re-engraved business strike die, but after going through the PCGS image database, I realized that the retouching appears on most (if not all) War Nickels for certain years and mintmarks.

Corrected: 1938-1942 proof dies
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Just so it doesn't get lost: that mint mark doubling certainly resembles a shallow repunch. I found nothing on Variety Vista or Wexler. It could be MD sheared off a deeply punched mintmark, but it looks delicate yet sharply defined. I would say it looks like D/D east repunched marks from 1944 and 1945, enough that I would investigate it further.

Maybe we could get an image of BUS above the mint mark, to see if there is MD/DDD evidence on the letters above the D?

I'm no expert on new RPMs, but I've cherrypicked a few known RPMs on War Nickels. You should get an opinion from someone like rpmsrpms.
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Thanks again. There doesn't appear to be any MD or DDD in PLURIBUS .
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MD can and will affect only one device on up to all of them.
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Boy, that really doesn't look like MD to me. And it's running in the wrong direction for DDD. That coin looks borderline EDS/MDS, there isn't even radial flow yet.

One option that occurs to me is Brian's Variety Coins. Brian Ribar maintains the Wexler catalog for Jefferson nickel doubled dies, but he will examine and attribute RPMs and other varieties. His rates are super reasonable at $5 per coin.

https://www2.briansvarietycoins.com/attributions

The main Wexler catalog team is accepting submissions for some denominations. They handle the nickel RPM catalog, but I have no idea what they are currently accepting, how big of a backlog exists, or what their pricing might be.
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MD can and will affect only one device on up to all of them.
I agree with Cujohn on the isolated MD on the mm. Fantastic work on the rest of this though, Brand!

LINK https://www.error-ref.com/isolated-...ne-doubling/

ADDED: Just so you know, you have taught me much over the last couple of years. Thank you!
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Brand, click on any of your links and see if they work. Get back to me please.
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Alright, talk to you tomorrow.
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