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Pillar of the Community
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Anyone think this might squeak out a VF? Wondering if the rim bruises would detail it.   |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I think this would grade VF straight. I don't think the rim bruises are bad enough to detail it.
Errers and Varietys.
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I like the light circulation cameo.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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If genuine, low VF seems about right. Do you have an accurate weight on it? The date position doesn't look quite right.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thx for questioning authenticity Zurie, never even considered it being a fake. Date seems to match a couple of the images shown on PCGS. Don't know anything about Morgans, dies, and pairs to correctly access but weight seems valid for tolerance and wear.
I swing a metal detector and have a knack for finding dirty old coins. Dirt coin restoration projects - https://www.prodetecting.com/restorationsDirt coin restoration blog - https://www.prodetecting.com/blog/ccawDirt coin dig videos - https://www.youtube.com/@prodetecting |
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Pillar of the Community
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The weight seems acceptable for the amount of wear. The mintmark looks spot on, but I couldn't find a 1903-S with an exact match for the date position, including various VAMs. The difference is subtle, and maybe it's just a different obverse die. Looks good otherwise, and I don't think the minor rim bumps are a problem.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Nice circulated Morgan but I think it's going to be stuck at F15.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Bedrock of the Community
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The date position doesn't look quite right. OP coin........  Genuine coin.......  EDIT: 1.4 Million minted - how many dies were used? Edited by Marv65
08/21/2025 8:35 pm
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The coin is almost certainly genuine. I'm not sure of the exact VAM, but here is an example I found on Coinfacts that appears to match the date and mintmark positions:  As for the grade, I think the Obverse looks VF20 and the Reverse looks F15. I think it straight grades but taking the rim dings into account it's an F15 for me. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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It looks genuine to me. Not seeing any of the usual red flags.
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, that PCGS coin is an exact match! The coin looked genuine to me, but I couldn't find a VAM to match, and there are only a handful of die pairs for that date. Maybe just a VAM-1. Anyway, glad we can put authenticity to rest. |
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On the 1903 S there were three obverse dies used 1112 1, 1112 2, 1112 3 and there are 9 known VAM'S. VAM 7 a slanted date used the 1112 2 die. VAM 6 used the 1112 3 die, and the 903 of the date shows in the denticles. All other VAM's used the 1112 1 obverse die. The OP coin would have to be a 1112 1 die. Note the position of the denticles below the zero in the date. OP Example directly below:  VAM 4 Date Position - 1112 1 obverse die  VAM 8 Date Position - 1112 1 obverse die  Genuine example unknown VAM PCGS Genuine Example unknown VAM The PCGS example does appear to be a match. This date position does not show up on the VAM site. Edited by Slider23
08/22/2025 12:10 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Slider - all due respect - I think you are incorrect. You would need to account for the rim hit which likely shifts the denticle alignment a bit. If you go end to end with a line it is a perfect alignment to the PCGS image from Unimpossible. EDIT TO ADD - I guess you edited your post while I was uploading this. It does match this die IMO.  Edited by DOCC
08/22/2025 12:32 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Well, great pictures and explanations! |
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Posted 08/21/2025 11:36 am
