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 Posted 12/31/2025  10:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add newdude to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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Im wondering if the ding on the wing of this ms70 eagle is enough to down grade the coin? the file photo on NGC shows the ding as well.
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 Posted 12/31/2025  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't pay ms70 money for it.
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 Posted 12/31/2025  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The real answer is more complicated than just yes or no. You have to understand the grading companies use nothing verifiable to grade coins. This is why a cracked out coin re-submitted, even to the same company, is never guaranteed the same grade again. Re-slabbing is profitable for the companies and why they keep the grading systems subjective. If they would adopt a universal measureable system then they would not get paid to grade the same coin more than once. It's a business.

No one can predict what will come back on a slab. No one can say for dead sure when something like this will or will not make a difference.

I learned this years ago when a local dealer gave me a challenge. he said to start looking at MS70 slabbed eagles and I would soon find out its not difficult to find them with marks that should have kept them from the perfect MS70.

Therei s absolutely nothing wrong with collecting slabbed coins, its just people need to understand what is inside the slab may not be what they think they are paying for.

Talk is cheap. So here is proof of how inconsistent the companies are:
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG https://www.coincommunity.com/pdf/N...ors_Main.pdf

So the actual answer about whether or not this mark would downgrade the coin or not is that it depends on how good the office coffee is the day the graders see it. Sitting in a little cubicle for 8 hours a day looking at little metal disks would make anyone inconsistent. Plus when there is no verifiable standard used...you get the real picture.


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 Posted 12/31/2025  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess it's the result of a die issue rather a striking issue, so no I don't see how this should downgrade it.
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 Posted 01/01/2026  02:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marv65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Isn't a "70" supposed to be a perfect grade? That mark would bother me whether it be a die issue or not.
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 Posted 01/01/2026  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, that mark/scrape would make me reconsider buying this.
I wonder why someone would even slab a bullion ASE ( no mint mark)
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 Posted 01/01/2026  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No way that's a 70. And looks like either post mint or packaging damage. It didn't leave the dies looking like that.
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 Posted 01/01/2026  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent Topic,

Thanks for Sharing,

This topic is as old as the First slab Ever released, What's a perfect coin.

Being the grading systems Today are as Subjective as Always, I Too believe there are Many Perfect graded coins that have Less than Perfect surfaces, maybe a scratch, Gouge, Strike - through etc. Since the 1980's slabs were released with a MS-70, or a PR-70 grade and I saw marks or abrasions that Should of dis-allowed the " perfect " grade. I am sure many Here have seen the same. Personally, I see the coin posted in this Topic as mentioned prior, Looks like post mint damages, Not a Perfect coin, Just a Perfect coin Label.....


Saying could not be more true, Buy the Coin, Not the slab..

While I see the Modern slabs as a good subject for those who do Not or Could not grade the coins themselves, Besides the Authenticity Factors also the Resale value if and when the time comes to sell. I wish More collectors did invest more into their own capabilities of confidence and practices.

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 Posted 01/02/2026  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Grading is an opinion and graders make mistakes. PCGS says on their web site MS70 coins can have small imperfections as long as they happened at the mint and are not post mint damage. While many MS70 coins are perfect, flawless, some are not. That flaw on the wing may hurt the value a little but it's just bullion. I have a few but usually don't buy bullion graded coins. Grading is good for classical coins and to verify authenticity.

Here is PCGS MS70 description:

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 Posted 01/02/2026  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought my first day at the grading company went great!
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 Posted 01/03/2026  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marv65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I thought my first day at the grading company went great!

That's only his part time lob. His real job is a NFL referee.........
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 Posted 01/03/2026  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reality is, Opinions differ.............


Remember Mr. David Hall, In 1986 He had a revolutionary concept, Create a consistent reference to Accurately, Consistently , Create a usable coin grading system that Could Blindly refer to a Grade for a coin grade Standard .


While it is Subjective, It is Just an opinion.

Not sure His vision is Reflective in Today's numismatic grading standards.
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 Posted 01/03/2026  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Check Gilly's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure of really how I personally view graded coins. For old,(let's just say non modern coins),I definitely get it. For modern coins, where the difference between 69 or 70 is so huge in the value, and the type of slab and core, etc, also contribute to the value, I'm just not down with it myself, but it makes up such a huge part of the hobby now.
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