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1971-D Silver Kennedy

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I recently purchased a 1/2 coffee can of Kennedy half dollars from an estate sale. I first sorted by clad of silver. I found several silver 1964's and quit a few 1965 thru 1970's. But the coin that surprised me was a 1971-D that appears to be silver. I checked the Red Book and they state that there are some 1071-D's that were struck on a silver clad sheet by error. I did some more research and found out that the sheet was for quarters not halves. I'm asking what do you thing it is worth if it is for real? Which of the grading houses would be best suited to grade it? Would you have it graded? Thanks
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You said it appears silver. Did you weight it? Or try the tissue test?
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The first thing I would do is compare it to a known silver coin and a known Cu-Ni clad coin. Place one 1964-1970, one 1971+, and the "suspect" 1971-D on a well lit surface and cover with a piece of tissue paper. The silver coins will reflect through whiter than the paper, while Cu-Ni clad coins will reflect through grayer.

The second thing I would do is weigh the suspect coin and compare to the known weights for Kennedy half dollars: silver (both 90% and 40% clad versions) are 12.5 grams, while the Cu-Ni clad are 11.3 grams.
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If indeed it is a silver clad, then you would have a rare one. I'd first weigh it. silver clad weighs 11.5 grams, clad 11.3 grams.
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I have done the tissue test and the ring test and in both cases it acts as if it is silver. I have not weighed it yet because I'm not sure what it should weigh, being punched from quarter stock. Any ideas on what I could calculate the weight? Also is a quarter and half blank the same size as the finished coin? If they are I could calculate what the weight should be.
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The second thing I would do is weigh the suspect coin and compare to the known weights for Kennedy half dollars: silver (both 90% and 40% clad versions) are 12.5 grams,
90% are 12.5 grams, 40% are 11.5 grams, clad are 11.3 grams
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Unfortunately weight is not sufficient to tell a silver clad from a coppernickel clad. A coppernickel clad weighs 11.34 grams but has a tolerance range of .45 grams So it can weigh anywhere from 10.89 grams to 11.79 grams. The silver clad weighs 11.5 grams but also has a .4 gram tolerance. So a silver clad half can weigh anywhere from 11.1 to 11.9 grams. So a coin whose weight falls in the 11.1 to 11.79 grams range could be either one.

You say it passes the tissue test. Then next I would check the edge to see if you can see the center copper or copper/silver core. This is to make sure it isn't a regular coin that has been silver plated.

If the core is visible then it needs to have a specific gravity test run on it. That test will be difinitive because the copper nickel clad has a specific gravity of 8.92 while the silver clad is 9.53 A properly conducted SG test may givee you results that vary from these figures by a few digits in the hundredths place, it will NOT vary by .6

And you don't need to concern yourself with what the weight of a half dollar struck on quarter stock would be, because the quarter stock was all coppernickel just the same as the half dollar stock. The way the 1971-D silver clad halves would have come about was from left over 1970 planchets accidently getting mixed in with the coppernickel planchets. These would have either been left over blanks from striking the 1970-D halves for the mintsets, or rejected proof planchets that were sent to Denver by mistake. (Rejected coppernickel clad proof blanks were routinely sent to Denver, but the 40% silver blanks should not have been. Rejected 40% silver blanks shipped to Denver were how the 1974-D and 1977-D silver Ikes were created and how the 1977-D silver half dollar was created.)

Fankly I supect the note in the RedBook about the 1971-D 40% silver half is a typo. I was not aware of any 1971-D 40%ers, but 1974-D's do exist and they are not mentioned.
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Conder101, Thanks for the great informative reply, (as usual) You have a great understanding of the Numismatic world and it is a pleasure to follow your educational reply, Thanks again, Mike.....
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Thanks for your input! So if I'm getting this right, there are no 1971-D silver Kennedy's and it would not be worth my $ to send it to PCGS? Thanks again.
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No regular silver 1971-D halves. If your coin is truly silver (not just the result of someone plating it), then it could be a rather valuable error.
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90% are 12.5 grams, 40% are 11.5 grams, clad are 11.3 grams
Ooops!

The CCF Kennedy half dollar Coin Facts page is wrong.

I thought I remembered the 40% clad and Cu-Ni clad being closer in weight, but I did not have my Red Book with me at work to double check. Must remember to verify, verify, and verify!
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So if I'm getting this right, there are no 1971-D silver Kennedy's and it would not be worth my $ to send it to PCGS?

I don't know of any 71-D 40% silver halves. That does not mean that one can't exist, they don't need my permission. But as I said check the edge and if it does show the "sandwich" structure but passes the tissue test get a specific gravity test done on it. If you can find someone close by that can do it, of if you have the right equipment you can do it yourself and it should cost little or nothing. If SG says it is 40% silver THEN it would be worthwhile to send to a TPG. I've never been a big fan of sending money off to the TPG's if you don't have to. If you can run your own tests at no cost and if they prove it can't be silver, you've saved yourself 30 to 70 dollars and weeks of time for the TPG to tell you the same thing.
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Thanks to you all. I will check into the SG test.
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Here's an idea:

Contact a local high school, and see if maybe an advanced chemistry class could use your half as a learning experience on specific gravity.

Bring in a silver half, a silver clad half, and the mystery coin... and watch the students' surprise when they learn that chemistry can have applications in "real" life. :D

Just an idea!
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