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I kind of got hooked on a new show (at least new to me) called Pawn Stars on the Discovery Channel. It's a reality show that showcases the day-to-day activity of a high end, family pawn shop in Los Vegas. One of the best things about the show is the spectacular mix of really cool items people bring in to sell. Sports memorabilia, a soda machine from the 50's, the Attari 2600, Confederate currency, a hot-air baloon, guns and rifles that are sometimes hundreds of years old, the list is endless!

Watching one episode gave me an idea related to coins. The shop is owned by three generations of men. One day the grandson brought in a Morgan to the father and said, "Is this priced right?" So he then looked at it and said, "God no, this is a CC Morgan" This turned into a huge theme for this episode with typical reality show drama. He kept going on about how "Regular Morgans sell for 50 bucks and CC Morgans sell for 500." Umm... you need waaaay more information than that. I was blown away at such an overly simplistic, ignorant comment. I don't expect a pawn shop owner to be an expert Numismatist, but c'mon.

So I'm wondering if anyone has gotten insane deals from Pawn Shops that had no idea what they had. Is that something worth exploring?
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 Posted 12/09/2009  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I get a big kick out of it too, however all reality shows aren't all reality. Something's may slide by those guys from time to time, but not a lot. Most of those successful Pawn people forgot more then most people will ever know.
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 Posted 12/09/2009  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know a guy that owns at least 4 pawn shops. At those 4 shops they know a little about some things, but they don't know everything about anything. They do know how to research the value of anything they haven't seen before.

I don't think you would be able to buy a key date coin for less than market value unless it just happened to be in a lot someone sold as junk silver. You might be able to cherry pick a VAM or the odd double die, but you can do that at a lot of coin shops. Like anywhere else, you can probably get the occasional deal but I wouldn't count on it being a regular thing.
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 Posted 12/09/2009  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the show...its always fun to listen to the pawn shops low ball offers lol. Worth 8k....i'll give you $800 for it lol....
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 Posted 12/09/2009  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I watch that show too when I catch it late at night and should be asleep. One time I saw "The old man" playing with Morgan dollars on his desk. This show reminds me sort of the Orange County Chopper family where they are always having family tom foolery between the boys.
The boss is the old man, but he just seems to be counting money all the time but his son is the deal maker.
He rubs me the wrong way. Personally, I wouldn't deal with him to sell something.
I think I could sell something to the two younger boys though. I like the time the one bought that big boat that needed work for something like $17,000.00 without checking with dad first.
They saw him doing it on the security camera but didn't bother to go outside and check out what was going on.
He got screamed at worse for calling a goblet by the wrong makers name, than when he blew about $13,000.00 more than the boat was worth.
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 Posted 12/09/2009  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like that show too. But remember that the producers strongly encourage playing things up for the camera's sake. As far as the Morgan comment goes (I saw that episode), I think what he was trying to do was give a basic rule of thumb to let the employees get a ballpark idea of the value. If your store sold everything from coins, to art, to military memorabilia, to boats and airplanes, there are only so many details you can expect someone to keep in their head. This is especially true when you aren't the owner or manager (sure it was the son/grandson of the owners, but he has a ways to go before he's ready to take over). So I took what he said to really mean that if you see a CC mint mark chances are it is much more valuable than the typical Morgan.
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 Posted 12/09/2009  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I lived on the East coast I stopped once in Woodstock, the "antique capital" of Eastern Connecticut, and browsed through few stores. They had a limited inventory of British, Canadian an US coins of early 1900's. Because they were " " "antiques" " " they were ungodly overpriced, sometimes 2X or even 3X the book value.
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 Posted 12/09/2009  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 925dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The danger here is the same as the danger of watching the antique roadshow. People get the WRONG idea of value. You can get most CC Morgans for WELL UNDER $500.00 and that is paying full retail! If I only had a dollar for everytime someone came into my store wanting to sell me their $10.00 item that they saw on the antique roadshow for thousands...... It is increadably annoying and I will be the first to tell you I HATE THE ANTIQUE ROADSHOW. I am in the antique business and have been since I was 4 years old (yes you read that right, I said four). The numbers these morons quote on the shows are generally WAY WRONG on the high side.

If I was the producer of one of the episodes of the Antique Roadshow and I wanted it to be an honest appraisal here is what I would do. Let us say Mrs. Smith brings in Grandma's silver. Before an appraiser can open their mouth and quote a price they MUST AGREE to BUY THE ITEM AT 33% OF PRICE QUOTED should the person holding that item say they want to sell it. Why do I say this? Think about it. If you have a $10,000 item then paying the owner $3,333.00 for it leaves you plenty of room for profit. Here is the problem though. If you quoted a rediculous price and it was not REAL then you get BURNED because when it sells at auction for $100.00 instead of $10,000 you really overpaid for it! Quoted prices on the show would drop like rocks (to the REAL WORLD prices). Of course people would stop watching about that time.....

Everyone likes hearing they have something valuable, especially if they got it as an inheritance or at a yard sale or auction on the cheap. The problem is there are not many fools out there prepared to overpay for stuff except maybe a few banking executives with big bonuses (yes there was a dig there). I am in the REAL WORLD of retailing antiques and collectibles and coins. My world and the fictitious "auction world" of the appraisers on the antique roadshow are two very different things. I attend auctions all the time and almost never see rediculous prices paid for stuff. Usually I see items selling for 35% to 60% of retail. It is true that occassionally items sell for full retail or even a little higher but this is the exception, not the rule. I have never seen a case where someone has paid significantly more for an item than it was worth unless it was at an auction where family members were bidding against each other for grandma's stuff and price was no object because emotions were the factor in the bidding and not the items intrinsic value.

In short remember these shows are for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES. They do sometimes give valuable background information BUT THEY DO NOT GIVE ACCURATE PRICING. A fool and his money may soon be parted but I have yet to have a fool come into my antique mall wanting to throw money at me like these people claim will happen at these fictitious auction houses. Sorry for my rant but I take big issue with false appraisals by "professionals" who may or may not actually know the REAL value of anything. Sincerely, John Leckrone
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12/09/2009 11:01 pm
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 Posted 12/09/2009  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brian Mc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the show "Pawn Stars" too. Although I'm sure there are exceptions, I have an idea most pawn brokers are pretty savvy. You have to be to run that kind of business.

As for the CC Morgan episode, realize that what got aired probably wasn't all the pawn broker said. The producers/editors have to edit the film to keep the show going at an entertaining clip. If the pawn broker had gone into a long explanation of what can make a Morgan worth $500, it still would have been edited down to the quick sound bite aired.

Just the nature of television
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12/09/2009 11:17 pm
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 Posted 12/10/2009  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a pawn-shop customer. There's nothing nearby that I would feel comfortable visiting. There are shops in East St Louis, but ...

In the original post, Paratrooper mentioned an Atari 2600 ... are those things worth anything? My kids had both the 2600 and then the 5200 with most of the popular games (Asteroids, Frogger, Mario Bros, etc). I still have them stored away in boxes. Sorry for going off-topic, but this intrigued me.
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SeatedNut, Atari consoles and games do have value. I also have the decks and quite a few games (I'm a Oldtyme Gamer) The more popular games are naturally worth more than some others due to nostalgic as well as collector interest but the expensive ones are the hard to find limited release type. http://www.atariage.com/software_se...ystemID=2600
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 Posted 12/10/2009  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"The danger here is the same as the danger of watching the antique roadshow"

The Antique Road Show is a lot closer too reality then Pawn Stars. I know the person who picked up a Roman Helmet in a garage sales and was on the show. I think he sold it at auction pretty close too what the Road Show quoted, $200,000. The real irony of this story , I lived right down street from the garage sales at the time and would of recognized the helmet for it real value if I was there.
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 Posted 12/10/2009  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$200k would enhance my coin collection quite nicely. (Well probably only $25k would go to coins)
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I haven't seen the US version of Antiques Roadshow, but 925dealer may be happier to know that on the UK programme, the prices are usually firmly rooted in reality.
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 Posted 12/21/2009  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hrhomer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What drove me nuts about the Morgan dollar episode was the "challenge" at the end. The old man had to prove that he could see, by finding the CC Morgan amongst a bunch of non-CC Morgans. So they threw a CC into a big vat of Morgans, mixed them up, and just dumped them on the desk! Is that how we handle our coins?

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No, but that's indicative of how they handle the coins they expect you to buy, I'm thinking.

Think about it.
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